Somali Islamists threaten 'jihadi war' against Ethiopia - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

jolinar of malkshor · 07-20-2006, 05:01 PM

"Islamists controlling Mogadishu have vowed to "wage a jihadi war" after Ethiopian troops crossed the border into Somalia.
International observers warned that the country was on the brink of a major conflict that could be as bloody as the civil war 15 years ago which killed 300,000 people"

Great....Here comes another conflict.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectID=10392303

Azure · 07-20-2006, 07:11 PM

So who are we going to blame for this part of the world going out of control?

jolinar of malkshor · 07-20-2006, 08:03 PM

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So who are we going to blame for this part of the world going out of control?

Good question..

Why dont you ask Lanny, he knows all and see's all.

Vulcan · 07-20-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

So who are we going to blame for this part of the world going out of control?

OK, here's the first shot.
If he wasn't spending all his time and resources focusing on Iraq, he may be aware of the crap going on in the rest of the world.

CaramonLS · 07-20-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

So who are we going to blame for this part of the world going out of control?

Colonialism.

jolinar of malkshor · 07-20-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

OK, here's the first shot.
If he wasn't spending all his time and resources focusing on Iraq, he may be aware of the crap going on in the rest of the world.

True, but even when they weren't in Iraq they did nothing with Sudan, Somolia, Rwanda, Congo.

Vulcan · 07-20-2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

True, but even when they weren't in Iraq they did nothing with Sudan, Somolia, Rwanda, Congo.

OK, but where would you choose to interfer?
Iraq, where there is a lousy but stable government that no longer was a threat to the west, although their own citizens had reason to be edgy or your African hotspots where open warfare and genocide is going on creating a breeding ground for terrorism.

jolinar of malkshor · 07-20-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

OK, but where would you choose to interfer?
Iraq, where there is a lousy but stable government that no longer was a threat to the west, although their own citizens had reason to be edgy or your African hotspots where open warfare and genocide is going on creating a breeding ground for terrorism.

I am not arguing with you.

What is your solution? They should start from the bottom up and work right to the top of africa. Remove all the weapons from the continent and get rid of these regional war lords and freedom fighters. If Europe hadn't just abondoned the continent back int he 1800's Africa would be a much different place today.

Vulcan · 07-20-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I am not arguing with you.

What is your solution? They should start from the bottom up and work right to the top of africa. Remove all the weapons from the continent and get rid of these regional war lords and freedom fighters. If Europe hadn't just abondoned the continent back int he 1800's Africa would be a much different place today.

Good, than we know who to blame.

I'd start with getting rid of the arms dealers but this would be counter productive to the industrialized economies. You see war is good for the West and what's good for the West is good for the unnamed person we're discussing.

Calgary Flames · 07-20-2006, 08:52 PM

Damn brits

Azure · 07-20-2006, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

OK, here's the first shot.
If he wasn't spending all his time and resources focusing on Iraq, he may be aware of the crap going on in the rest of the world.

Knew it was coming, and sadly, I can't disagree.

Iraq HAS tied the US's hands, so obviously the UN should be taking a bigger role. Are they?

Azure · 07-20-2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

Good, than we know who to blame.

I'd start with getting rid of the arms dealers but this would be counter productive to the industrialized economies. You see war is good for the West and what's good for the West is good for the unnamed person we're discussing.

Good for the economy of the West, not the West in general. Keep it straight.

And the arms dealers are certainly making their fair share of dough.

CaptainCrunch · 07-21-2006, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I am not arguing with you.

What is your solution? They should start from the bottom up and work right to the top of africa. Remove all the weapons from the continent and get rid of these regional war lords and freedom fighters. If Europe hadn't just abondoned the continent back int he 1800's Africa would be a much different place today.

Wouldn't that be another version of colonialism

shoestring · 07-21-2006, 12:46 AM

Drop the big one!
Go to the reading thread and read this book;Quote:
Originally Posted by Kryzsky
Awesome freaking book, have read it 3 times.

If you like that, and want a little more in-depth, but still an easy ready I recomend GUNS, GERMS, AND STEEL by Jared Diamond - It won the Pulitzer

jolinar of malkshor · 07-21-2006, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Wouldn't that be another version of colonialism

It most certainly would be. But if you have a better suggestion by all means.

I am not saying this is the perfect way to deal with Afric but the current way of ignoring the entire continent is not working.

What do you think should be done?

Vulcan · 07-21-2006, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure

Good for the economy of the West, not the West in general. Keep it straight.

And the arms dealers are certainly making their fair share of dough.

Now you're catching on!

I don't believe it is good for the West's economy in the long run either but it is certainly good for Haliburton's economy.

jolinar of malkshor · 07-21-2006, 06:19 AM

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Now you're catching on!

I don't believe it is good for the West's economy in the long run either but it is certainly good for Haliburton's economy.

Does Haliburton make weapons?

4X4 · 07-21-2006, 06:44 AM

Haha. The US. Damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

This 'breeding ground for terrorism'. Who are they planning to terrorize?

CalgaryCowboy · 07-21-2006, 06:55 AM

Ironic that the US is expected to police the world but get shunned when it makes war on another country. Now we want them to get involved in one nation making war on another. Don't get the UN involved they can't agree on anything. Maybe NATO.

I know this isn't politically correct but I wonder if the best solution in some of these conflicts isn't to not get involved and let them resolve themselves. Let the middle east fight it out and I bet in the end the region is more stable.

Sorry, feeling kind of mean today.

Lucky boy · 07-21-2006, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy

Ironic that the US is expected to police the world but get shunned when it makes war on another country. Now we want them to get involved in one nation making war on another. Don't get the UN involved they can't agree on anything. Maybe NATO.

I know this isn't politically correct but I wonder if the best solution in some of these conflicts isn't to not get involved and let them resolve themselves. Let the middle east fight it out and I bet in the end the region is more stable.

Sorry, feeling kind of mean today.

Kinda difficult to do that in the middle east, different countries have different allies in that region. There is also large quantities of a certain resource in that area.