07-14-2006, 01:13 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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That could be an interesting situation in the weeks and months ahead if true.
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Huge thanks to Dion for the signature!
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07-14-2006, 01:31 PM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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If true, probably the best thing to happen to the Cuban people in the last 45 years.
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07-14-2006, 01:42 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: sector 7G
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Originally Posted by transplant99
If true, probably the best thing to happen to the Cuban people in the last 45 years.
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not "probably", definitely. I have a couple of Cuban pals in Miami that would probably swim for home if this news was true.
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07-14-2006, 02:43 PM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by habernac
not "probably", definitely. I have a couple of Cuban pals in Miami that would probably swim for home if this news was true.
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I would too. I heard the Mexican people living near the Mexican resorts go to Cuba for vacation. Imagine that.
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07-14-2006, 04:02 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by transplant99
If true, probably the best thing to happen to the Cuban people in the last 45 years.
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The best thing to happen to the Cuban people would be the USA lifting their embargo.
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07-14-2006, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
The best thing to happen to the Cuban people would be the USA lifting their embargo.
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..which I'm sure will happen if Castro is really dead.
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07-14-2006, 04:13 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
The best thing to happen to the Cuban people would be the USA lifting their embargo.
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No doubt!
Castro represents one of the VERY few leaders that will actually stand up to the U.S. Ever since the CIA assassinated Guevara, Castro has been Cuba's best hope for an independent state, not bowing to American pressure.
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07-14-2006, 04:15 PM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
The best thing to happen to the Cuban people would be the USA lifting their embargo.
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Done.... once Castro isn't is dead/in power any longer.
The US has ZERO reason to lift the embargo til that time.
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07-14-2006, 04:19 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Vancouver
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I personally like the idea of being able to travel somewhere that Americans can not. I don't have to worry about terrorist attacks or running into Texans...
EDIT: WOOOOO 100 posts! Two red blocks for me!
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07-14-2006, 04:22 PM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Red Mile Style
No doubt!
Castro represents one of the VERY few leaders that will actually stand up to the U.S. Ever since the CIA assassinated Guevara, Castro has been Cuba's best hope for an independent state, not bowing to American pressure.
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Oh good...another conspiracy theorist.
Even if they had done this...good. The man was a maniacal sociopathic murderer whom preyed on peasants with his "guerilla" band of merrymen.
Truth is, Guevera died at the hands of the Bolivian army, albeit without any formal trial, which is wrong in any society.
There was a reason so many Cuban exiles hated the guy with a passion and still havent returned to their homeland of communism.
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07-14-2006, 04:25 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Done.... once Castro isn't is dead/in power any longer.
The US has ZERO reason to lift the embargo til that time.
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Yeah right, the Cuban people's welfare isn't a reason? You just said it was.
Lets get this straight, Castro isn't the reason Cuba's economy is in the tank. When someone is threatening you and has a gun to your head, it's not the victims fault if he gets shot.
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07-14-2006, 04:39 PM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Yeah right, the Cuban people's welfare isn't a reason? You just said it was.
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I did? ...If you say so.
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Lets get this straight, Castro isn't the reason Cuba's economy is in the tank.
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Straight up....yes, yes he is. He is the "leader" and has been for 5 decades. WHo else is to blame?
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When someone is threatening you and has a gun to your head, it's not the victims fault if he gets shot.
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Who's holding a gun to their head? The US doesn't allow trade from within ITS borders with Cuba, and for good reason (Cuban Missile crisis ring a bell?) they are free, and have been, to trade with a whole lot of other countries to make their economy stronger. Why haven't they? I already know the answer forthcoming...
Because the Americas are bad bad people!!
Any wonder why 9 different administrations (Republican and Democrat alike) have not changed policy since it was implemented?
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07-14-2006, 04:47 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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And to think, one Fidel Castro went to the US looking for support to overthrow Batista, who declined believing they could control the regime at the time. Castro then went to the communists for help.
Whoops.
Cuba is just another American disaster.
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07-14-2006, 04:50 PM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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The Bay of Pigs was a huge mistake by the US at the time. They may very well of tipped Castro to being even more Communistic/Dicator like in his approach to run the country.
Doesnt mean that what transpired after that can be blamed on the US only. Castro was the one who ultimately made his bed.....so to speak.
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07-14-2006, 04:58 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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No, but the US has a way of making enemies that is nearly unparalleled throughout history.
My point, I suppose, is that America doesnt really have the right to be so critical of Cuban policies when America itself is a major reason why Castro is the type of leader he is.
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07-14-2006, 05:09 PM
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Any wonder why 9 different administrations (Republican and Democrat alike) have not changed policy since it was implemented?
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What state has been key to winning presidency during the last couple of elections? For as long as I've been following politics, Florida has been oneof the most important states. Who was the last president to be elected without Florida?
The Cuban exile anti-Castro population in Florida is extremely powerful. I'd recommend reading the book "The Real Fidel Castro" by Leycester Coltman for a relatively fair and balanced view on Castro. Fidel is not the boogeyman that many Americans and American polticians potray him as. He is also not the god-like leader that communist leaders and left-wingers make him out to be.
From all accounts, Fidel Castro was one of the most fascinating leaders the world has seen in the past 100 years. I would love to sit down and have a conversation with the enigma that is Fidel Castro.
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07-14-2006, 05:10 PM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
Yeah right, the Cuban people's welfare isn't a reason? You just said it was.
Lets get this straight, Castro isn't the reason Cuba's economy is in the tank. When someone is threatening you and has a gun to your head, it's not the victims fault if he gets shot.
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Maybe HE should quit trying to rule the country with an iron fist, and you should quit being an apologist for communist dictators.
Of course the Cuban people have suffered under Castro, since when do we blame other countries free will trade wise, on the problems that exist in Cuba?
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07-14-2006, 05:12 PM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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The Cuban exile anti-Castro population in Florida is extremely powerful. I'd recommend reading the book "The Real Fidel Castro" by Leycester Coltman for a relatively fair and balanced view on Castro. Fidel is not the boogeyman that many Americans and American polticians potray him as. He is also not the god-like leader that communist leaders and left-wingers make him out to be.
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Why do you think there are so many exiles to begin with?
Something aint quite right when a family will jump into any floating device they can find and hope they dont die trying to reach the Florida coast.
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07-14-2006, 05:19 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by transplant99
I did? ...If you say so.
Straight up....yes, yes he is. He is the "leader" and has been for 5 decades. WHo else is to blame?
Who's holding a gun to their head? The US doesn't allow trade from within ITS borders with Cuba, and for good reason (Cuban Missile crisis ring a bell?) they are free, and have been, to trade with a whole lot of other countries to make their economy stronger. Why haven't they? I already know the answer forthcoming...
Because the Americas are bad bad people!!
Any wonder why 9 different administrations (Republican and Democrat alike) have not changed policy since it was implemented?
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You did, no question about it.
Blame the government that's causing it?
The embargo started long before the Cuban Missile Crisis of Oct./62 and if you want to look at what brought it on, look no further.
http://www.historyofcuba.com/history...ts/embargo.htm
If you read the article, you'll see that their trading partners are severly limited.
Americans are much like us, just a little less informed. No hate on my part, not even a nice try.
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