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Prototype · 07-14-2006, 08:49 PM

I questioned if Henry Burris was the answer at QB when the Stamps signed him, and now it's solidified. Henry Burris is nothing more than an overrated Quarterback in the CFL.

His late game "heroics" have cost the team 2 games this season, including his stoppage of the clock which gave Hamilton time to kick the game winning FG tonight. Not the punter... I blame Burris.

Burris, in my opinion has cost the Stampeders more games than he's won for the team. You have weapons like Copeland, Lewis, Renyolds... and I am starting to get the impression like he thinks he can do it himself.

The thing about the teams that were so successful in the 90s was that it was always a team effort. Even when we had Flutie and Garcia in the backfield... it wasn't about them... it was about the team.

If I had any stroke with the Stampeders front office, I'd put the memo out to start looking for a new answer at QB.

I'll get off my soapbox now, but I'm a little ****ed at tonights performance.

JiriHrdina · 07-14-2006, 08:58 PM

Lots of blame to go around in this one.

Burris
Dales

And Higgins. Two very poor decisions. The first, to not kick the field goal in at the end of the half. That would have put a halt to the Ticats momentum but instead it gave them a big boost to head into the lockeroom with. Dumb.

And not running the ball on first down on that final. Given where they were on the field and time left on the clock just a horribly bad decision.

CaramonLS · 07-14-2006, 09:27 PM

I'm going to fault Burrato for not utilizing Hank properly in the situation. We have arguably the most talented WR core in the CFL, we should be making SHORTER passes, say 15 yard crossing routes and letting our WRs do the rest.

Copeland and Lewis have some absolutely disgusting atheltic ability, and by not putting it in their hands more often, we aren't using them as they should be used.

Stop throwing the all the deep passes downfield all the time. It is ok to take the safe 10-15 yard pass once and a while. It just seems like Burris or Burrato wants to stretch the field more often then not instead of maybe playing it safer with an inconsistant QB.

Burris can make you look brilliant one game (Sask Game for example), then awful the next w/ the type of playcalling. Granted I did not see the game tonight, but this has been the theme in many games this season.

Koby-7 · 07-14-2006, 09:29 PM

hey relax guys, its still early in the season. we'll be alright.

Calgary Flames · 07-14-2006, 09:30 PM

Sorry but Dales was the goat on that one...

Koby-7 · 07-14-2006, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgary Flames

Sorry but Dales was the goat on that one...

i agree

calf · 07-14-2006, 09:55 PM

The goat horns tonight goes to the coaches...bad play calling all game. Played the short game without going deep...except once, which resulted in a TD. hmmmmmmmmmmm

On first down and goal near the end of the 1st half, handing it off to Reynolds from the gun?

Calling a passing play towards the end of the game instead of running down the clock?

I thought Burris played OK, not great, not awful.

Resolute 14 · 07-14-2006, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Koby-7

hey relax guys, its still early in the season. we'll be alright.

Worthless excusemaking.

I dont care if it is the 6th game of the season or the 16th, you MUST beat terrible teams like Hamilton.

Early or not, the 2 points the Stampeders threw away tonight could be the difference between a bye in the playoffs, or even home field in the division semis. Not acceptable at any time of the year.

Rubber Ducky · 07-14-2006, 10:08 PM

Count me in the frustrated group, but I think it's too easy to dish all the blame on Burris.

How about all the penalties? Those are mental mistakes more often than not. How many plays ran without orange nylon all over the field?

What frustrates me the most is the lack of consistency. We look like world-beaters one game, and like we'd rather be vacationing in Lebanon the next.

Final rant point - why is it that every QB ends up with a 75% completion rate against us? For all the raves about last week's game, I think Burris only had 13 completions (13 for 23, or something like that) and Saskatchewan scored 30some points against us.

I know it's still early, but some consistency would be nice.

Eddie Bronze · 07-14-2006, 10:42 PM

And yet no one has mentioned...the ti-cats just fired their head coach. It's common to see teams play better then they've previously shown when a major change like that is made. Personally, I thought it looked like a loss from 1600 miles away. Don't see any surprise here and no reason for worry.

JiriHrdina · 07-14-2006, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bronze

And yet no one has mentioned...the ti-cats just fired their head coach. It's common to see teams play better then they've previously shown when a major change like that is made. Personally, I thought it looked like a loss from 1600 miles away. Don't see any surprise here and no reason for worry.

Well its not like the Ticats played well so I don't think that's an accurate assessment. Both teams played like junk truth be told. But the bottom line is the Stamps made the type of mistakes that shouldn't be made by a team of their quality.

Ultimately not a big deal because in the CFL the reg season matters squat. But a frustrating game to watch.

Eddie Bronze · 07-15-2006, 09:01 AM

That's fair, Jiri. I only watched the second half and in that time I thought both teams played pretty decent. Not great, but they both protected the ball well and the ball was moving up and down the field with regularity.

Hamilton played a similar tempo against us two weeks ago but this time they had a difference maker in the lineup. Corey Holmes. And he did make a difference with that 4th quarter TD.

To me, with the way things were going, you could just see the loss coming. Hamilton was sitting with no wins and just endured a major change at the top. They were due. Calgary would have been in a dream scenario going to 4-1. To me that seemed too good to be true. The west is way too tough this year and there won't be any dream scenarios unfolding. I'm willing to bet Calgary goes to 3-3 next week as BC isn't going to lose 3 in a row. At least I can't see it. That's just the ebb and flow of the way the games go. Expecting total domination isn't realistic.

Dion_Iggy_Kipper!!! · 07-15-2006, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Prottotype

I questioned if Henry Burris was the answer at QB when the Stamps signed him, and now it's solidified. Henry Burris is nothing more than an overrated Quarterback in the CFL.

His late game "heroics" have cost the team 2 games this season, including his stoppage of the clock which gave Hamilton time to kick the game winning FG tonight. Not the punter... I blame Burris.

Burris, in my opinion has cost the Stampeders more games than he's won for the team. You have weapons like Copeland, Lewis, Renyolds... and I am starting to get the impression like he thinks he can do it himself.

The thing about the teams that were so successful in the 90s was that it was always a team effort. Even when we had Flutie and Garcia in the backfield... it wasn't about them... it was about the team.

If I had any stroke with the Stampeders front office, I'd put the memo out to start looking for a new answer at QB.

I'll get off my soapbox now, but I'm a little ****ed at tonights performance.

Awww....I feel sorry for you guys,

not, I'll just stay here in Saskatchewan with Kerry Joseph

Prototype · 07-15-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion_Iggy_Kipper!!!

Awww....I feel sorry for you guys,

not, I'll just stay here in Saskatchewan with Kerry Joseph

I don't think Joseph is the answer here either. An improvement... but not the answer. I've seen Joseph take a game out of the win column too... then again, I guess every QB has.

I don't know who is out there than can change the game. After reading all your posts, the blame can't sit squarely on Burris' shoulders, but that's where I put them. I still don't like him, and can't wait until he matures as a quarterback, or his time with the Stampeders is done.

flames_1987 · 07-15-2006, 10:26 PM

The thing about the CFL is who out there is better? Calivillo, Ray..and...and...maybe Jason Mass but that's a big maybe.

Bench Warmer · 07-17-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by flames_1987

The thing about the CFL is who out there is better? Calivillo, Ray..and...and...maybe Jason Mass but that's a big maybe.

Depends on the day. On his good days, Burris is in the top 3 with Calvillo and Dickenson IMO. On the bad days, he's easily in the bottom 3. That's what you get with Burris - hot or cold, no middle. Question is, can he play 'hot' for more than 9 or 10 games a year - until he proves he can be consistent, he won't be held in the same category as Calvillo, Dickenson, etc.

On a side note, I wonder what Ray has done the last 2 years to keep himself as 'elite QB status'? He's been very average - especially compared to the Ray of 3-4 years ago - since he came back from the NFL.

calf · 07-17-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bench Warmer

On a side note, I wonder what Ray has done the last 2 years to keep himself as 'elite QB status'? He's been very average - especially compared to the Ray of 3-4 years ago - since he came back from the NFL.

2 Grey Cups in 3 appearances....granted, last year he had some help off the bench getting there, but he's a winner.

Bench Warmer · 07-17-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by calf

2 Grey Cups in 3 appearances....granted, last year he had some help off the bench getting there, but he's a winner.

Some help off the bench? I'm sure I don't have to remind Stamps fans of this, but without Maas, it's quite possibly the Stamps in the GC last year. Ray is also the guy that went 7 games without a TD pass last year. You're right however, he does win big games. I guess that's all that matters.

OILFAN #81 · 07-17-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bench Warmer

On a side note, I wonder what Ray has done the last 2 years to keep himself as 'elite QB status'? He's been very average - especially compared to the Ray of 3-4 years ago - since he came back from the NFL.

Exactly what calf said, 2 GC in 3 apperances. Also look at this year so far. Ray is 1st in pass completions(75.3%), 1st in QB Rating at 108.9, 2nd in Yards (only 7 behind Dickenson: 1469-1462), 1st in average for yards (10 per throw), and 4th in TD's (6). Ray is close again to playing at the top of his game.

CalgaryCowboy · 07-17-2006, 02:39 PM

Burris is overrated by many. He is what he is. Good, sometimes very good, rarely great. His pass completion percent is way too low for a team with 5 above average recievers. He does not look like he can find that 2nd or 3rd option when his prime reciever is covered. It is not his fault he is just not in that elite category. Having said that I don't know what other QB I would rather have that has been available since he came to town. Ray, Calvillo and DD have not been options. I would take Burris over Joseph or Mass. If some day we get a shot at Printers or discover a diamond in the rough we will go that way. Burris is not untouchable on the Stamps depth chart. The prime reason Danny Mac is here is to cover if Burris falters.