Terrorism hits India

[Hack&Lube]

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/as...sts/index.html

Mumbai train bombings in the commercial capital.

[@theCBE]

Thats disgusting. Prayers are with the families

[Cube Inmate]

WTF are you supposed to do with terrorists?

Appeasement doesn't work (e.g. Israel, Caledonia)
Negotiation doesn't work (e.g. Everywhere)
Blowing 'em up doesn't work (e.g. Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel)

Giving in is not an option, because the only way to "give in" to people who are deranged enough to blow up civilians for their cause is to cease to exist. I'm not ready to do that.

Absolutely futile.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

WTF are you supposed to do with terrorists?

Appeasement doesn't work (e.g. Israel, Caledonia)
Negotiation doesn't work (e.g. Everywhere)
Blowing 'em up doesn't work (e.g. Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel)

Giving in is not an option, because the only way to "give in" to people who are deranged enough to blow up civilians for their cause is to cease to exist. I'm not ready to do that.

Absolutely futile.

Maybe if the total international community would start getting involved in the War on Terror, the civil world could get rid of them. Too much sitting back and watching IMO.

Then things like this happen.

[Sharpen 'Em]

Maybe the majority of the international community doesn't like the way the "war on terror" is being fought. Maybe the majority of the people living in the country that is leading the "war on terror" don't like the way it's being fought either. Makes it pretty tough to find partners.

[jolinar of malkshor]

There was a lot of terrorism going on way before the "War on Terror" began and most countries just stuck their head in the sand as they are doing now.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

WTF are you supposed to do with terrorists?

Appeasement doesn't work (e.g. Israel, Caledonia)
Negotiation doesn't work (e.g. Everywhere)
Blowing 'em up doesn't work (e.g. Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel)

Giving in is not an option, because the only way to "give in" to people who are deranged enough to blow up civilians for their cause is to cease to exist. I'm not ready to do that.

Absolutely futile.

What we're fighting is an idea and we can't solve it with guns although right now we don't have much of an alternative. We have to use education and postive re-inforcement to change peoples attitudes. It may be a long slow process and won't be 100% but it will happen.

[Cube Inmate]

I'm not trying to support "the War on Terror (TM)" or shoot it down....

...but the fact is that we evidently don't know how to actually fight such a war. We (the civilized world) have tried bombing 'em, we've tried sending them to their rooms without dinner, we've tried being nice to them, and it's pretty clear that you cannot use any rational means to deal with an irrational person.

I don't see how it can possibly get better. Terrorism occurs everywhere from the depths of undeveloped Africa to the subways of cosmopolitan London. Despite the frequent links to Islam (or Islamic Extremism, if you prefer), there really is no commonality to the insane people commiting these acts. They range from poor Palestinians who have had "martyrdom" ingrained in them from childhood, to well-off Brits, Canadians, and Americans who have no logical reason to do such things.

Given this diversity, there's no single way to fight a battle like this. Worse still, there's no way to WIN a battle like this. The only thing we can hope for is that intelligence stays a few steps ahead of the nutcases who will continue to pop up for the foreseeable future. Of course...that leads into the maze of arguments centring on rights to privacy, blah blah blah.

In short: We're stuck with this crap. The WoT (TM) is not going to be won, but that's not to say the US shouldn't be overseas trying to minimize the breeding grounds. Are they being successful? Who knows?

Anyhow...I guess this bombing just got me thinking a little (and rambling).

Adieu

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

Given this diversity, there's no single way to fight a battle like this. Worse still, there's no way to WIN a battle like this. The only thing we can hope for is that intelligence stays a few steps ahead of the nutcases who will continue to pop up for the foreseeable future. Of course...that leads into the maze of arguments centring on rights to privacy, blah blah blah.

In short: We're stuck with this crap. The WoT (TM) is not going to be won, but that's not to say the US shouldn't be overseas trying to minimize the breeding grounds. Are they being successful? Who knows?

Anyhow...I guess this bombing just got me thinking a little (and rambling).

Adieu

Unless we all adopt the extreme version of Islam. Then there wont be any more infadels to bomb.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Sharpen 'Em

Maybe the majority of the international community doesn't like the way the "war on terror" is being fought. Maybe the majority of the people living in the country that is leading the "war on terror" don't like the way it's being fought either. Makes it pretty tough to find partners.

I guess they can just sit back and allow more attacks to happen.

Awesome theory you got going there.

Nobody ever said that India was supposed to go to Iraq and fight the "WOT", but it would help their people if they started doing it in their own country.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Azure

I guess they can just sit back and allow more attacks to happen.

Awesome theory you got going there.

Nobody ever said that India was supposed to go to Iraq and fight the "WOT", but it would help their people if they started doing it in their own country.

You've got an awesome theory going too. Everything is black and white and if you don't like it, go to war. Yeah, that's it, we'll solve all problems by blowing them up. Bush is trying that and we're ending up with more terrorists. Time to give your head a shake and try more diverse methods of solving this problem.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Azure

I guess they can just sit back and allow more attacks to happen.

Awesome theory you got going there.

Nobody ever said that India was supposed to go to Iraq and fight the "WOT", but it would help their people if they started doing it in their own country.

India has been dealing with terrorism much longer then our Western nations.
They certainly have been fighting there own wars on terror for a long time, and it still has not stopped things like this from happening.

[CalgaryDesi]

The media totally disgusts me.

CFRN in Edmonton didn't even have it as the top story in the news

I doubt it will be on the first page of the Herald/Journal or Sun either tommorow.

That's pathetic...this isn't much different from 9/11, and people will forget about it tommorow morning, if anyone has even cared..difference is , this is in a 3rd world country so the lives of those innocent people that were taken away must mean nothing

Okay, forget 9/11. See the London Bombing last year, same type of scenario. This year's India bombing has already killed way more people, and injured far more, and yet it's apparently no big deal

This topic speaks for itself - 11 posts!

Same way people ignore the fact that 1 million people died in the Tutsi genocide in Rwanda in 1994. How was that any different from the Holocaust? Yet, none of the teachers in my school ever mentioned it. Watch Hotel Rwanda for the full story of that event - the United nations did not come to help out the innocents because a) they were black b) it was a 3rd world nation.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

You've got an awesome theory going too. Everything is black and white and if you don't like it, go to war. Yeah, that's it, we'll solve all problems by blowing them up. Bush is trying that and we're ending up with more terrorists. Time to give your head a shake and try more diverse methods of solving this problem.

I never said they should go to war, but they should do more in the ways of intelligence in order to stop these terrorists.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

India has been dealing with terrorism much longer then our Western nations.
They certainly have been fighting there own wars on terror for a long time, and it still has not stopped things like this from happening.

True. But India also said that they "knew" about these attacks, just not when they were going to happen.

That to me suggests a weak link somewhere, something that needs to fixed so that future attacks can be stopped.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by CalgaryDesi

The media totally disgusts me.

CFRN in Edmonton didn't even have it as the top story in the news

I doubt it will be on the first page of the Herald/Journal or Sun either tommorow.

That's pathetic...this isn't much different from 9/11, and people will forget about it tommorow morning, if anyone has even cared..difference is , this is in a 3rd world country so the lives of those innocent people that were taken away must mean nothing

Okay, forget 9/11. See the London Bombing last year, same type of scenario. This year's India bombing has already killed way more people, and injured far more, and yet it's apparently no big deal

This topic speaks for itself - 11 posts!

Same way people ignore the fact that 1 million people died in the Tutsi genocide in Rwanda in 1994. How was that any different from the Holocaust? Yet, none of the teachers in my school ever mentioned it. Watch Hotel Rwanda for the full story of that event - the United nations did not come to help out the innocents because a) they were black b) it was a 3rd world nation.

I don't know about Edmonton but the Calgary papers have gotten pretty parochial and spend most of their time kissing Ralph's butt [when I left Calgary]. For even worse reporting pick out any American local newspaper and you usually won't find any news unless it directly affects that city or the USA. The newspapers and some other medias are letting us down but they may soon find themselves an anachronism as the internet replaces them. Still, it would be nice to have a place that I can continue to trust for my news.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by CalgaryDesi

The media totally disgusts me.

CFRN in Edmonton didn't even have it as the top story in the news

I doubt it will be on the first page of the Herald/Journal or Sun either tommorow.

That's pathetic...this isn't much different from 9/11, and people will forget about it tommorow morning, if anyone has even cared..difference is , this is in a 3rd world country so the lives of those innocent people that were taken away must mean nothing

Okay, forget 9/11. See the London Bombing last year, same type of scenario. This year's India bombing has already killed way more people, and injured far more, and yet it's apparently no big deal

This topic speaks for itself - 11 posts!

Same way people ignore the fact that 1 million people died in the Tutsi genocide in Rwanda in 1994. How was that any different from the Holocaust? Yet, none of the teachers in my school ever mentioned it. Watch Hotel Rwanda for the full story of that event - the United nations did not come to help out the innocents because a) they were black b) it was a 3rd world nation.

Totally valid point. If it were a bunch of "white" people, it would be massive news, covered from every angle.

[O_M_A]

This kind of stuff is truly disgusting.

Turns out a cousin of mine actually GOT Off one of the trains that was targetted right before the thing blew up. That one touched a nerve.

The really sad part about all of this is the fact that there seems to be no end in sight. It just keeps on happening over and over and over again. If it's not India, its the UK. If it's not the UK it'll be France... or somewhere else.

I'm not even sure how you go about stopping these types of acts. I honestly don't see a solution at this point..

[jolinar of malkshor]

It's never going to be completely stopped. Just like crime. But you can reduce it by fighting the causes of it aand the people that carry out these acts.

[Cheese]

Fundamentalism.

How do you stop it? Reading this blurb I dont think you can.

The Message is aimed at the world's 1.4 billion Muslims, many of whom have been engaged in a civil war of ideas for the last three centuries, the period of Muslim political decline. The successive fall of mighty Muslim empires, such as the Moghuls in India and eventually the Ottomans in the Middle East, led Muslims to inquire into the causes of their downfall. Instead of recognizing scientific and intellectual stagnation as the reason for their lack of material progress, many early Muslim revivalists attributed Muslim debility to a combination of Western conspiracies and Muslim neglect of military preparedness.

Muslim reformers since the 19th century, on the other hand, have argued that Muslims need to look at their own history critically to understand their collective weakness. Reform movements in the Islamic world have maintained that Muslims have something to learn from the ascendancy of the West, beginning with the European Renaissance and Reformation.

Contemporary jihadists have rejected this approach. They see themselves as reversing Muslim decay by reviving religious militancy. They play on the many post-colonial grievances of Muslims and are aware of the Muslim desire for restoring their past glory. This approach is precisely why, in an era of terrorism in the name of Islam, the battle for Muslim hearts and minds is the key to success in the war against terrorism.