United 93, opening old wounds and exposing some truth?

[Lanny_MacDonald]

The majority of information coming out around this film is the typical rah-rah bull**** you would expect from America and from Hollywood. But there is also new information coming forward about the day, as the truth starts to percolate to the surface. Found this in a review of the movie outlining the way a few of us suspected it unfolded.


As an Air Traffic Controller working at Cleveland Center that morning, I'd like to add a few things that the general public will never know about UAL93.

No, I was not the controller working the flight. I was working the airspace to the west of that sector at Flight Levels 310 to FL370 (31,000 ft to 37,000 ft). At the time of United 93 checking in with the Lorain Sector, I was busy setting up a holding pattern for 3 flights I was working to NY, 2 flights to Newark and 1 flight to La Guardia. We had already learned about the World Trade Center at the time, and actually, New York Center was no longer accepting traffic, hence my holding pattern.

Once United 93's fate was made aware of, everyone in the center had "Quick Looked" or was watching that flight. Unbeknownst to the hi-jackers, it is possible to track a flight once the transponder is turned off.

In any case, here is my point of this post. First off, it is quite impossible to actually know what went on inside that aircraft. While I am sure that many heroic actions were about to take place, how do we actually know what happened. This is simply another Hollywood sensationalism of a known event. Everything associated with the ATC aspect of this movie was fabricated.

Here is my final point of this post. Here is something that the US Government, expecially this administration, will NEVER EVER let you know about. We air traffic controllers know for a fact that 2 fully loaded F16's were scrambled from the Youngstown Ohio Air National Guard base. These 2 F16's were within striking range when UAL93 came down. We also know that wreckage was found more than a mile away from the main crash site.

I am not making any claims here, but many of us know this fact. The general public does not and may never know this info. Make your own conclusions.

Anyone surprised by this revelation? Anyone still questioning the Pentagon attack and the lack of wreckage in comparison to this incident?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Yeah, I do question it.

What would be the point of shooting down the plane when it is that close to the building? So close that the missile, in theory, penetrated two rings? I just don't buy it.

As for the general idea of the US scrambling F-16's to shoot down hijacked planes, I think that's exactly what they should've done. I don't get why people have a hard time with that course of action either.

As for the movie, it's kind of like "The Passion". I go to the movies to be entertained or to 'hear' a great story. "The Passion" was not entertaining and in fact it was depressing. I would imagine this is as well.

For the record, I didn't know they found wreckage a mile a way on Flight 93. The crash site looks a lot like the one in Colorado Springs several years ago. Nose dive straight into the ground, in tact. Doesn't really matter in the grand scheme.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Yeah, I do question it.

What would be the point of shooting down the plane when it is that close to the building? So close that the missile, in theory, penetrated two rings? I just don't buy it.

As for the general idea of the US scrambling F-16's to shoot down hijacked planes, I think that's exactly what they should've done. I don't get why people have a hard time with that course of action either.

As for the movie, it's kind of like "The Passion". I go to the movies to be entertained or to 'hear' a great story. "The Passion" was not entertaining and in fact it was depressing. I would imagine this is as well.

For the record, I didn't know they found wreckage a mile a way on Flight 93. The crash site looks a lot like the one in Colorado Springs several years ago. Nose dive straight into the ground, in tact. Doesn't really matter in the grand scheme.

I'm a little confused by what you're saying Dis. Are you saying that the flight that hit the Pentagon was shot down (there was no plane that hit the Pentagon, there wasn't enough damage nor wreckage to support this claim)? Your comment about the wreckage also seems strange, as the comment that it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It seems to me that we deserve the truth in this country, something that this administration does not really believe in revealing very often, under the guise of National Security. Since when did the truth not matter in the grand scheme?

[Displaced Flames fan]

I'm saying I don't buy that the Pentagon plane was shot down. I don't think they got there in time. I aslo know what happens to aluminum when it hits solid material at a high rate of speed. It could be the case, but I don't buy it.

As for it not mattering in the grand scheme for Flight 93, finding out that it was shot down as opposed to being taken down by the hijackers or passengers wouldn't change anything.

The problem I have is that people think that having the plane shot down would be a horrible thing to learn. Why?

If they did shoot down they might as well say it. Might gain them some respect for reaction. After all, aren't we supposed to believe that Bush was more interested in goats at the time? To me, if they said, "Yeah, we had to shoot 93 down and I made the call" it would be a good thing for them. Then again, we're dealing with Americans and Bush so there would probably be more outrage and Bush hating.

[transplant99]

Well the truth is out there allright!!

All conspiracists unite!

http://www.letsroll911.org/

[HOZ]

Sorry but there is a lot more information going into this movie tha just the busted up Blackbox.

This is recordings not only from the Black box, but from cell phone conversations with family member, on board phones, and transmissions from the cockpit while the flight was in the air.

They, the HEROES, stormed the **** pit and the ****s that Rouge and Lanny love downed the plane before they could kill anyone else.

They were the first to fight back. I don't think Hollywood could fathom the courage, and I am sure Lanny can't either, that it took a bunch of nobodies (fags, straights, catholics, atheists, asians, protestants, africans, students, overweight whatevers, Jews, and whoever else) to storm that **** pit. Theyknew they were going to DIE. They stood tall and fought! GO US GO!

This is just another LANNY "I hate the US" BS post showing that he is the biggest loser around. Everyone of them is worth a million Lanny's.

Lets start a new theory or Lanny.....DFF is too nice because...he is lulling Lanny into believing Jews haven't taken over the White House.


Sorry DFF....but you are being too nice to Lanny. The guy is an idiot. Charlie Sheen idiotic. The guys has long passed the loser threshold here. When Cowperson exposed his butt should have been a red light for you.

[White Doors]

haha

Lanny, I always knew your opinions were skewed, but to say that a missle went into the pentagon and NOT a plane? I feel more sad for you than anything else.

pathetic.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Sorry DFF....but you are being too nice to Lanny. The guy is an idiot. Charlie Sheen idiotic. The guys has long passed the loser threshold here. When Cowperson exposed his butt should have been a red light for you.

I guess I missed it.

I'm being nice because he's not been "not nice" to me yet. No reason to escalate the conversation into a hate fest. If he chooses to do so then I can respond.

Just because I disagree with someone, it doesn't mean I can't have civil conversation with them on the subject. That's just me though.

[HOZ]

You are a gentleman

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by HOZ

They, the HEROES, stormed the **** pit and the ****s that Rouge and Lanny love downed the plane before they could kill anyone else.

Keep dreaming little girl. The evidence says otherwise. The 9/11 Commission Report has not been able to make any of the evidence, and in some cases lack there of, go away.

They were the first to fight back. I don't think Hollywood could fathom the courage, and I am sure Lanny can't either, that it took a bunch of nobodies (fags, straights, catholics, atheists, asians, protestants, africans, students, overweight whatevers, Jews, and whoever else) to storm that **** pit. Theyknew they were going to DIE. They stood tall and fought! GO US GO!

GO US GO??? Have you got your little silver pom poms out and in your red, white and blue cheerleader outfit? Wow, what a load of bull****. If they knew they were going to die, what did they have to lose? It doesn't take much courage to fight for your life, it takes only instinct.

This is just another LANNY "I hate the US" BS post showing that he is the biggest loser around. Everyone of them is worth a million Lanny's.

Yeah, you're right, that's me "hatin'". No one in their right mind would dare question the events that lead up to the invasion of two soverign countries and subsequent death of thousands, the illegal wire-tapping of American citizens, and the endless lies that have been told to the American people since this day! No one would dare consider that these people were murdered for other motives than those of a terrorist organization.

Lets start a new theory or Lanny.....DFF is too nice because...he is lulling Lanny into believing Jews haven't taken over the White House.

Jews have taken over the White House? Holy mindless rambling.

Sorry DFF....but you are being too nice to Lanny. The guy is an idiot. Charlie Sheen idiotic. The guys has long passed the loser threshold here. When Cowperson exposed his butt should have been a red light for you.

Wow, an all time low, even for a lying piece of **** like you HOZ. You shouldn't talk about outing people. I have more then enough on you to make you a non-entity here you LYING piece of ****.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by White Doors

haha

Lanny, I always knew your opinions were skewed, but to say that a missle went into the pentagon and NOT a plane? I feel more sad for you than anything else.

pathetic.

Care to produce proof that indicates a plane hit the Pentagon? The 9/11 Commission Report failed to do so. They completely ignore the fact that no significant physical evidence could be produced to support the existance of commercial jet liner. They instead chose to go with the story that the jet was vaporized on impact. Ironic since they later said the people on the plane were identified by their fingerprints. So which is it? Their story makes no sense. A plane vaporizes on impact, consuming all metals (with melting points in excess of 2700 degrees) yet they were able to ID the victims through the use of fingerprints. The "official story" is impossible. Where is the wreckage? Where is the expansive destruction? If the plane landed short, where is the tell tale ground damage? If the plane went in clean as suggested, why is only the outer ring of the Pentagon significantly damaged? Also, how could a guy that could barely fly a cessna manage to pull of a maneuver that highly trained jet fighters struggle to do? Open your eyes. It doesn't add up. It never has.

[NuclearFart]

Why would they fire a missile at the pentagon? Are you trying to imply it was done on purpose to justify later military action? And there is actually a major highway that runs adjacent to the pentagon, and as such there are hundreds of people who physically saw a plane hit the pentagon. Not one person who was on the road that day has come forth saying anything different, let alone claiming it was a missile. And It's pretty easy to discern a passenger jet from a missile....

As an aside, why is there all this mention of jews and what not? Did someone edit their post or something, because I dont see how this is pertinent.
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Lovely Wendie

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Care to produce proof that indicates a plane hit the Pentagon? The 9/11 Commission Report failed to do so. They completely ignore the fact that no significant physical evidence could be produced to support the existance of commercial jet liner. They instead chose to go with the story that the jet was vaporized on impact. Ironic since they later said the people on the plane were identified by their fingerprints. So which is it? Their story makes no sense. A plane vaporizes on impact, consuming all metals (with melting points in excess of 2700 degrees) yet they were able to ID the victims through the use of fingerprints. The "official story" is impossible. Where is the wreckage? Where is the expansive destruction? If the plane landed short, where is the tell tale ground damage? If the plane went in clean as suggested, why is only the outer ring of the Pentagon significantly damaged? Also, how could a guy that could barely fly a cessna manage to pull of a maneuver that highly trained jet fighters struggle to do? Open your eyes. It doesn't add up. It never has.

Wow. Well this makes your other lunatic ramblings seem pale in comparison. Well at least I know I'm not a loon for disagreeing with you on almost everything you post.

thanks for coming out.

[Resolute 14]

The thing I do not understand about the "missile hit the Pentagon" conspiracy theory is why bother?

Terrorists already had planes, so there is no reason for them to hit the Pentagon with a missile rather than a plane.

The US government had no reason to attack their own installation. There was nothing to be gained by that, as whatever "ammunition" the US government needed to go after the Taliban, to go after Hussein, to do whatever they wanted they gained when the WTC was hit.

As is typical with virtually every conspiracy theory ever concieved, the "why" simply does not mesh with the "what" and "how".

What is the motive here?

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Care to produce proof that indicates a plane hit the Pentagon? The 9/11 Commission Report failed to do so. They completely ignore the fact that no significant physical evidence could be produced to support the existance of commercial jet liner. They instead chose to go with the story that the jet was vaporized on impact. Ironic since they later said the people on the plane were identified by their fingerprints. So which is it? Their story makes no sense. A plane vaporizes on impact, consuming all metals (with melting points in excess of 2700 degrees) yet they were able to ID the victims through the use of fingerprints. The "official story" is impossible. Where is the wreckage? Where is the expansive destruction? If the plane landed short, where is the tell tale ground damage? If the plane went in clean as suggested, why is only the outer ring of the Pentagon significantly damaged? Also, how could a guy that could barely fly a cessna manage to pull of a maneuver that highly trained jet fighters struggle to do? Open your eyes. It doesn't add up. It never has.

Oh, and here's your wreckage that you say 'disappeared'

http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

haha

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

Why would they fire a missile at the pentagon? Are you trying to imply it was done on purpose to justify later military action? And there is actually a major highway that runs adjacent to the pentagon, and as such there are hundreds of people who physically saw a plane hit the pentagon. Not one person who was on the road that day has come forth saying anything different, let alone claiming it was a missile. And It's pretty easy to discern a passenger jet from a missile....

The truth of the matter is that no one can confirm anything. Those that could confirm anything were not allowed to testify to the 9/11 commission because there were others that could testify just the opposite. The easiest way to gurantee that the testimony that could raise questions and require greater examination/investigation is to preclude it from investigation all together.

As an aside, why is there all this mention of jews and what not? Did someone edit their post or something, because I dont see how this is pertinent.

HOZ is just an ******* and trying to drag something into the discussing that he hopes will polarize the board and distract from the real issue. That's the way he likes to try and argue points. He lies his ass off and then when he's exposed he tries to change subjects or brings in something that will cloud the issue all together. Jewish control of anything has nothing to do with this. The issue is the validity of the information we is fed to us by the government. We are continually fed a line of misinformation that is a shadow of the truth and expected to submit to what those in power wish us to believe.

[Kool Keef]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

The majority of information coming out around this film is the typical rah-rah bull**** you would expect from America and from Hollywood. But there is also new information coming forward about the day, as the truth starts to percolate to the surface. Found this in a review of the movie outlining the way a few of us suspected it unfolded.

Fantastic. An anonymous post. This just screams credibility.

What evidence do you provide that proves you didn't write this crap? I see none.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Oh, and here's your wreckage that you say 'disappeared'

http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

haha

Much of that wreckage is NOT from a 757. The majority of the wreckage in those photographs have been identifed as parts from other planes and NOT from a 757.

Oh, and I notice that you didn't even bother to tr and take on the government's "official" story as to the lack of wreckage and damage. How come? To difficult for that 75 IQ of yours to deal with?

How did you put that? Oh yeah, "thanks for playing".

[Azure]

Lanny I have no problem if you question what flew into where, why and how, but I find it insulting to all those people who lost loved ones on Flight 93 when you're questioning a movie that is based on what we know happened.

You know who Lisa Beamer is? You think she would lie about what her husband, Todd, did? Or said he was going to do?

[oldschoolcalgary]

From everything I've read on the film, United 93 does its level best to stay away from any politics and just report facts and best re-creations possible based on interviews.

can't speak to any of the other theories out there...