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sadora · 05-20-2006, 09:12 PM

Barry Bonds has done it, finally. I know that Bonds is disliked by many but it's quite an accomplishment to tie one of the greatests of the game. I wonder now how close Bonds will come to Hank Aaron's record.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

Flickered Flame · 05-20-2006, 09:15 PM

Big deal, he is nothing but a complete a$$hole.

sadora · 05-20-2006, 09:21 PM

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Big deal, he is nothing but a complete a$$hole.

A$$hole or not, it's still quite an accomplishment. I couldn't care less about his personality. Ruth was a drunk but nobody cares about that.

Flickered Flame · 05-20-2006, 09:38 PM

When he sets a record then we can talk about something.

Sylvanfan · 05-20-2006, 10:17 PM

Well he's been around for a long time and he really was a good player previous to 1998 when he started juicing up. But with the whole steroid thing I can't really be bothered to give him much due credit for this accomplishment.

habernac · 05-22-2006, 09:37 AM

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A$$hole or not, it's still quite an accomplishment. I couldn't care less about his personality. Ruth was a drunk but nobody cares about that.

alcohol isn't a performance enhancing drug the last tiem I checked. Bonds will get little respect because he's a cheater.

troutman · 05-22-2006, 02:58 PM

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A$$hole or not, it's still quite an accomplishment. I couldn't care less about his personality. Ruth was a drunk but nobody cares about that.

Without the ROIDS Barry would only have about 600 home runs at this point (a wild guess). I hope every pitcher in MLB walks him until he retires. And don't stop with Barry; go back and strip McGwire and Sosa of their numbers.

I-Hate-Hulse · 05-22-2006, 03:16 PM

His record will always carry an asterix next to it. Records only mean something if it's a level playing field for all.

moon · 05-22-2006, 04:23 PM

Bonds is not only a roided up cheater but a piece of garbage as a human being. He was a great player before he starting using roids but what he has done now will tarnish his rep for ever and it couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy.

I wished hadn't beat Babe and don't expect that he will be able to beat Aaron so at least we wouldn't have to see his asterix laden name beside the all time HR record.

Resolute 14 · 05-22-2006, 05:35 PM

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A$$hole or not, it's still quite an accomplishment. I couldn't care less about his personality. Ruth was a drunk but nobody cares about that.

And Bonds is a drug cheat.

Bonds caught Ruth in number only. Ruth was 100 times the player Bonds could ever hope to be, even if he shot himself up with steroids ten times a day.

714 in an era of juiced balls and doped up players < 714 in an era of the dead ball.

Hemi-Cuda · 05-22-2006, 07:41 PM

i think it's a joke that he's even still playing the game. if they can serve a lifetime ban to players for throwing a game, why can't they slap Bonds with one for cheating at the game for so many years

JiriHrdina · 05-22-2006, 08:10 PM

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i think it's a joke that he's even still playing the game. if they can serve a lifetime ban to players for throwing a game, why can't they slap Bonds with one for cheating at the game for so many years

Simply put because there was no rule against it.

Heaton · 05-23-2006, 09:35 AM

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Simply put because there was no rule against it.

And no one has proved anything yet, which is the main reason why nothing has been done. He's obviously taken something, but no one has found the iron clad proof yet.

CaramonLS · 05-23-2006, 09:48 AM

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And no one has proved anything yet, which is the main reason why nothing has been done. He's obviously taken something, but no one has found the iron clad proof yet.

Of course, this coming from the man with Pudge on his team, who also magically dropped 40 lbs and lost all his power when they started drug testing.

Heaton · 05-23-2006, 11:34 AM

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Of course, this coming from the man with Pudge on his team, who also magically dropped 40 lbs and lost all his power when they started drug testing.

Did you think that I was defending Barry Bonds? I'm not, baseball is a joke and has been for 15 years, maybe even longer than that.

Sylvanfan · 05-23-2006, 12:29 PM

Well wake me up when Albert Pujols ties the record. Maybe we'll have something to talk about than.

troutman · 05-23-2006, 12:54 PM

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Simply put because there was no rule against it.

It is illegal to use steroids without a valid prescription or to distribute them. Steroids are Schedule III substances under the Controlled Substances Act. Schedule III drugs, which have a legitimate medical function, may lead to moderate to low physical dependence or high psychological dependence.

http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs5/5448/#illegal

Resolute 14 · 05-23-2006, 01:38 PM

There was no rule in baseball against it.

If the DOJ wanted to go after ballplayers for illegal use of steroids, they should have. It isnt MLB's job to do it for them. Incidentally, that is why I find the US governments assaults on baseball, and the other sports leagues so hypocritical. Who are they to be attacking MLB and the NHL for not cracking down on a steroids problem when the government itself always had the power to do so and never did?

Baseball's only responsibility wrt drugs is to ensure that it does not alter the outcome of the games, which it has failed miserably.

troutman · 05-23-2006, 01:57 PM

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There was no rule in baseball against it.

There is no rule in baseball against murder either. 'Roids are illegal and there was NO justification in taking them irregardless of what rules baseball had.

Legacy of lies

Even by Bonds' standards, latest about-face shameful

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...uth/index.html

The more the man reveals himself, the more we know him to be the absolute fraud for which his name has become synonymous.

Only the latest example of the deceit that is Bonds occurred after he hit home run No. 714 to tie Babe Ruth for No. 2 on the all-time list. The same man who in an interview with reporters before the 2003 All-Star Game gleefully looked forward to wiping Ruth from the record books suddenly -- because it fit the purpose of trying to gain a shred of public respect -- paid homage to Ruth and his legacy. When a reporter reminded Bonds of his 2003 comments, he claimed not to remember and, as The New York Times reported, called the words "somebody's fabrication."

Bonds on steroids in his own words:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...tes/index.html

"No. I don't have to [use steroids]. I mean, I'm a good enough ballplayer as it is. I don't need to be any better. I can't get any better at this age."

-- June 2002

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in an interview on On the Record with Bob Costas

JiriHrdina · 05-23-2006, 02:33 PM

^^^Well that quote from 2002 is consistant with the rest of his quotes as he has claimed that if he used steroids he was not aware of it. So his denial from 2002 really doesn't matter much.

Heck the guy is a jerk and a cheater. But if we are going to toss his records out of the books then I want to see Mac, Sosa also gone. I also want to see current players that were/are juiced such as Giambi and Sheffield given the same treatment.

Bonds is unfairly the focus of what should be a wider target.