Moussaoui tells why he hates America....

[Cheese]

Some fairly nasty comments from someone who uses the Qur'an as his basis.

The Qur'an is the collection of holy scriptures of Islam. It is divided into 114 Suras (chapters) of unequal length. The earliest Meccan suras are shorter, and they grow longer as time goes on. The earliest are also more similar to the Jewish style of admonishing people to reform and warning them of coming judgment. All suras are supposed to represent material dictated to Muhammad from God through the angel Gabriel. The Qur'an is thus believed to be the direct Word of God and must be obeyed without question.

But he launched into a diatribe that put a quick halt to the tittering, beginning with a citation from the Koran which he said meant Islam had to become a superpower in place of America, and drifting into an answer about "the Jewish state of Palestine" that ended with a threat to "exterminate" American Jews.
He said he felt no regret when he saw 11 September victims testifying in the court, enunciating every syllable of his reply: "None what-so-ever.
"We did it for this. We want to inflict pain on your country."
"The children of Palestine and the children of Chechnya will be in pain tomorrow. I want you to share the pain," he said.

Hatred speaks

Moussaoui called an Army officer who crawled on his belly to safety beneath searing smoke "pathetic" and ridiculed a Navy officer who wept as she described the loss of two colleagues.
"I think it was disgusting for a military person" to cry, Moussaoui said of the testimony of Navy Lt. Nancy McKeown. "She is military, she should expect people at war with her to want to kill her."
Asked if he was happy to hear her sobbing, he said, "Make my day."
Prosecutor Rob Spencer asked Moussaoui: "So you would be happy to see 9/11 again?"
"Every day until we get you," the 37-year-old Frenchman responded with enthusiasm.

More Hatred

In an anti-Israel tirade, he argued the United States is "the head of the snake" that acts as "life support" for "The Jewish State of Palestine."
Asked by prosecutor Rob Spencer about September 11, Moussaoui replied quickly, "No regret, no remorse."
"I just wish it had happened on the 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th and 17th, we can go on and on."
"So would you be happy to see 9/11 again?" Spencer asked.
"Every day," Moussaoui answered.

Spewing...

Some Qur'an quotes...

1. 2: The Cow
   
2. Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6
3. Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 2:10
4. Allah has blinded the disbelievers. 2:17-18
5. A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24
6. Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 2:61
7. Allah turned Sabbath breakers into apes. 2:65-66
8. Allah has cursed them for their unbelief. 2:88
9. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89
10. Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 2:90
11. Jews are the greediest of all humankind. 2:96
12. Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98
13. Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99
14. For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:104
15. For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 2:114
16. Disbelievers are losers. 2:121
17. Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 2:126

3: The Family of 'Imran

1. All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 3:85
2. Disbelievers will be cursed by Allah, angels, and men. They will have a painful doom. 3:87-88
3. Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91
4. Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 3:105-6
5. Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 3:116
6. The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 3:131
7. We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151
8. Theirs will be an awful doom. 3:176
9. Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177
10. Disbelievers will have a shamful doom. 3:178
11. Disbelievers will go to Hell. 3:196

[Calgary Flames]

Religion is the root of all evil.

[Azure]

What an idiot.

[HOZ]

He is insane. He is looking to get hanged.....this whole over the top "blathering" is his way of reaching dream. Becoming a matyr.

[Claeren]

Originally Posted by Calgary Flames

Religion is the root of all evil.

Every once in a long while you say something that i wholeheartedly agree with.

This is one of those times.


Claeren.

[Displaced Flames fan]

His comments are calculated, though he may very well mean everything he says. He wants the jury to give him the death penalty so he will be martyred, since he lost his chance at it by his own stupidity. If I was on the jury I would fight til the bitter end for life in prison. Throw away the key and let him become forgotten and irrelevant.

Kill him, and he's a hero...to himself and to others.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

His comments are calculated, though he may very well mean everything he says. He wants the jury to give him the death penalty so he will be martyred, since he lost his chance at it by his own stupidity. If I was on the jury I would fight til the bitter end for life in prison. Throw away the key and let him become forgotten and irrelevant.

Kill him, and he's a hero...to himself and to others.

I don't really understand the system here. It seems quite obvious to me that keeping him in prison for the rest of his life would be a much better thing for everyone except Moussaoui himself. So why is the prosecution still going for it? They aren't required to ask for the death penalty, are they?

Like you said, kill him and you make a hero out of him for the wackos to look up to and want to emulate. But if you throw him in the slammer for the rest of his life and the glorious life of a martyr turns into the forgotten life of a dimwitted jackass twiddling his thumbs in a grey prison cell for 40 years.

[MaherFan]

If we were in his place, grew up how he did, was taught what he was taught... how can we be sure we wouldnt believe what he believes?

We would like to believe that the principles we hold is engraved in us, but how can we be sure we would not be protesting in the streets and calling for retaliation and the death of another group of people?

[Language]

Originally Posted by MaherFan

If we were in his place, grew up how he did, was taught what he was taught... how can we be sure we wouldnt believe what he believes?

We would like to believe that the principles we hold is engraved in us, but how can we be sure we would not be protesting in the streets and calling for retaliation and the death of another group of people?

I don't understand your point. Don't try and make him the victim out of all of this. Just because he may have been brainwashed, etc., doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be held accountable for his actions.

It seems to me like he wants the death penalty, so I say lock him up in prison from life and let him rot there.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by MaherFan

If we were in his place, grew up how he did, was taught what he was taught... how can we be sure we wouldnt believe what he believes?

We can't be sure, but we can be sure that there are tens of millions of people who grew up how he did, were taught what he was taught, and they didn't turn into lunatics who want to fly an airplane into a building full of people.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't really understand the system here. It seems quite obvious to me that keeping him in prison for the rest of his life would be a much better thing for everyone except Moussaoui himself. So why is the prosecution still going for it? They aren't required to ask for the death penalty, are they?

Like you said, kill him and you make a hero out of him for the wackos to look up to and want to emulate. But if you throw him in the slammer for the rest of his life and the glorious life of a martyr turns into the forgotten life of a dimwitted jackass twiddling his thumbs in a grey prison cell for 40 years.

Very good question. Most likely these lawyers are looking to set themselves up for the future on this case. Half of them are looking to be politicians some day. What better to show your constituents than to say you rid the world of a 9/11 conspirator?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Cheese

All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 3:85

Darn.

I was looking so forward to that.

[Displaced Flames fan]

I honestly don't know 'Roos, if they are required to ask for the death penalty. It's a federal case, I'm not familiar with those laws. I would be somewhat surprised if it was required.

In addition (and more important IMO) to what HOZ said about personal notoriety for the prosecution, I think that appeasing victims families is the main driver of the request. They want to get revenge for the families.

I agree with you, obviously. Let him rot for the rest of his life. He'll soon be out of the minds of everyone, including those who share his beliefs.

[CaptainCrunch]

I say throw him in prison for the rest of his life, but nail him to a wall by his testicles and keep him alive with blood transfusions and intravenous feeding.

He's a weak human being, and the excuse like live like he did and you'd turn out like that is weak. There are examples of people that have risen above thier up bringings and social settings.

There are thousands of people that have had absolutely crappy situations and you don't see him spewing the crap that this idiot does.

I don't buy it, this person is a weakling.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Claeren

Every once in a long while you say something that i wholeheartedly agree with.

This is one of those times.


Claeren.

How about PEOPLE are the root of all evil? Stalin wasn't a religious man by ay means, so your hypothesis is thus incorrect.

Or hatred is the root of all evil?

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by White Doors

How about PEOPLE are the root of all evil? Stalin wasn't a religious man by ay means, so your hypothesis is thus incorrect.

Or hatred is the root of all evil?

here we go again...

Stalin (1879-1953) was the product of a seminary, and learned its lessons of manipulation and mind control well. He knew that the best way to stifle dissent and to break the will of the people was to deprive them of that which they value the most. Religion, being so important to the lives of the Russian people, was the perfect target. By depriving the people of the crutch of religion, he knew he could crush their spirit.
There are no elements of freethought (the foundation of atheism) in Soviet philosophy. Stalin most certainly was unfamiliar with the humanistic underpinnings of atheism; his goal was to create a totalitarian state in which he became the new god, whose dictates were not to be questioned. Individual rights, so central to freethought, were unknown in Soviet Russia.
The massacres of Stalins reign were committed in the name of statism, not atheism, and statism is a by-product of the fundamentalist religious mindset.
Every religion since time immemorial has recognized the role religion plays in stifling dissent and keeping people quiet and submissive. Charles I of England, for example, once said "religion is the only firm foundation of power."
Stalin did not want to share that power with anyone. Recognizing the church as the only significan't rival to his supremacy, he attacked it. His attacks had nothing to do with ideological differences; it was a simple question of his stamping out a perceived threat.
Final proof that Stalin was not acting on atheistic principles could be seen during the opening salvos of the Barbarossa campaign during World War II. Things were not going well for the Russian armies at that point and Stalin, facing a possible revolution on the home front was searching for ways to amass a broad base of support for the war effort. To achieve this, he reinstated the Orthodox Church hierarchy to serve Mother Russia. This shows that Stalin was by no means averse to promoting religion if it suited his purposes to do so.

[Azure]

Good point Cheese. Stalin by no means used the true form of communism, much like China hasn't ever been close in past history. Both countries try to force religion upon others using violence, propoganda and all that junk.

And it usually revolves around one specific religion. I'm religious(a bit) and I absolutely agree that religion is the root of all evil. How many people throughout history have used it to serve their murderous agenda?

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Azure

Good point Cheese. Stalin by no means used the true form of communism, much like China hasn't ever been close in past history. Both countries try to force religion upon others using violence, propoganda and all that junk.

And it usually revolves around one specific religion. I'm religious(a bit) and I absolutely agree that religion is the root of all evil. How many people throughout history have used it to serve their murderous agenda?

Historically Christendom has executed its wrath on millions of people. Any religion, country or people that didnt accept its promotion were at times brutally murdered.
Has it changed much? With people like Pat Robertson and his ilk leading large swaths of right wing whackos is the USA far behind Islam?

Christians did not shy away from killing their own religious brethern when even minor theological differences arose. For them, perhaps no differences were truly minor - all doctrines were a part of the True Path to heaven, and deviation on any point challenged the authority of the church and the community. It was a rare person who dared to stand up and make independent decisions about religious belief, made all the more rare by the fact that they were massacred as fast as possible.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Azure

Good point Cheese. Stalin by no means used the true form of communism, much like China hasn't ever been close in past history. Both countries try to force religion upon others using violence, propoganda and all that junk.

And it usually revolves around one specific religion. I'm religious(a bit) and I absolutely agree that religion is the root of all evil. How many people throughout history have used it to serve their murderous agenda?

What an asinine statement! So if reigion were not in the human consciousness, we's all be living in some sort of paradise? This train of thought is both dangerous and terribly niave. If we all think that humans are naturally 'good' and all thr problems in human history are attribuntal to that fact, then we truly haven't learned from our history are are thus doomed to repeat it with some sort of other creed or doctine that will be just as bad or not worse.

So Stalin wasn't a 'true communist' because he grew up in a religious household?? WTF are you people on? Humans WILL ALWAYS have conflicts and at the end of the day, any sane person can realize that religion has done more good than bad in human history.

This coming from a person who is NOT religious. The time has come to truly recognize the limitations of human progress and that blame lies with HUMANS. No one else.

[White Doors]

So do you people stand up and congratulate China, a 'humansit' state for taking over the dreadful people of Tinbt who happened to be religious in state and stature? Is that ok?

Modern day 'humanists' remind me of midievil-day missionaries.