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Hack&Lube · 03-27-2006, 10:22 PM

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...=Entertainment

What a piece!
All these anti-seal hunt celebrities really have no concept of reality. They chose to injure an entire country because of a cute and fluffy animal with big eyes when millions of livestock, poultry, fish, and wild animals are killed every month for food and clothing.

oldschoolcalgary · 03-27-2006, 10:27 PM

It's a joke - why aren't these people protesting outside the of all the other farms/processing factories where domesticated animals are being killed every day for food?

Is their treatment any more humane - simply put, a case of celebrities trying to grab as much attention as possible...

Its hilarious that Morrissey uses the "making money" as a indictment of the seal hunt practice - he hasn't done anything brilliant since the Smiths broke up (Viva Hate and Southpaw Grammer were average at best)! And yet he's still putting out "albums"...pot, meet kettle...

And dude, time to change the hairstyle - it ain't the 80's anymore.

The Fonz · 03-27-2006, 10:32 PM

It'd be pretty sweet if this guys band sold zero CD's or any other merchandise nation wide in Canada. Then he'd shut the hell up...

Vulcan · 03-27-2006, 11:16 PM

I saw some foolish girl on TV saying the United States Humane Society will bring a halt to this practise. Why do I get so upset when foriegners try to tell us what's good for us?

I also saw McCartney being led around by his wife on CNN. He didn't have a clue what was going on. His wife was a little more dangerous as she believed in her cause.

Most of these people live in their own little world and have little understanding for a regular guy putting bread on the table.

FlamesAddiction · 03-27-2006, 11:32 PM

I loved how when Paul McCartney was in PEI, he thought he was in NFLD.

If he doesn't even know about basic geography, then what does he know about complex ecology?

GreenTeaFrapp · 03-27-2006, 11:37 PM

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Red meat, white meat, blue meat, meat-o-****ing-rama. You will eat it. Because not eating meat is a decision. Eating meat is an instinct! Yeah! And I know what it's about. "I don't want to eat the meat because I love the animals. I love the animals." Hey, I love the animals too. I love my doggy. He's so cute. My fluffy little dog..

He's so cute- There's the problem. We only want to save the cute animals, don't we? Yeah. Why don't we just have animal auditions. Line 'em up one by one and interview them individually.

"What are you?"

"I'm an otter."

"And what do you do?"

"I swim around on my back and do cute little human things with my hands."

"You're free to go."

"And what are you?"

"I'm a cow."

"Get in the ****ing truck, ok pal!"

"But I'm an animal."

"You're a baseball glove! Get on that truck!"

"I'm an animal, I have rights!"

"Yeah, here's yer ****ing cousin, get on the ****ing truck, pal!"

We kill the cows to make jackets out of them and then we kill each other for the jackets we made out of the cows.

- Denis Leary

Looger · 03-27-2006, 11:46 PM

GreenTeaFrapp vbmenu_register("postmenu_398434", true); beat me to the punch!

denis leary, and i'm dating myself here, from 13 or so years ago

sometimes it takes a loudmouth idiot to hit the nail on the head!

Hack&Lube · 03-27-2006, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

I also saw McCartney being led around by his wife on CNN. He didn't have a clue what was going on. His wife was a little more dangerous as she believed in her cause.

I loved her vapid grade 1 argument on CNN:

"You know, obviously [PM Harper] cares about what the voters think, what the people think, what he thinks individually and supporting the sealers at the same time. So we, we just think that this is an ideal opportunity for it to happen now and his second name is Harper and these are harp seals, you know. What more can you ask?"

icarus · 03-28-2006, 12:15 AM

Morrissey clearly shredded any political credibility he has (okay, he has none) with the China remark.

Does he not realise that Canada in no wise is hurt by his not touring here, but rather that his fans are the ones who are hurt? He would be more effective to do MORE shows here and in each city try to make a difference through media interviews and petitions at the concerts. What a fool.

JayP · 03-28-2006, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I loved her vapid grade 1 argument on CNN:

"You know, obviously [PM Harper] cares about what the voters think, what the people think, what he thinks individually and supporting the sealers at the same time. So we, we just think that this is an ideal opportunity for it to happen now and his second name is Harper and these are harp seals, you know. What more can you ask?"

Oh man. It just doesn't get any better than that.

RougeUnderoos · 03-28-2006, 12:37 AM

I'll do my part and say "do they really need to kill these baby seals so some anorexic teenager can strut on a Milan runway in a fur coat"? Probably not.

But... Paul McCartney did look like a foolish old woman out there on the snow in his orange suit.

FlamesAddiction · 03-28-2006, 12:52 AM

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I'll do my part and say "do they really need to kill these baby seals so some anorexic teenager can strut on a Milan runway in a fur coat"? Probably not.

But the herd needs to be culled, so they may as well use the fur.

Unfortunately, humans have messed up the environment so much so that now the seals need to "managed". The removal of cod from the ecosystem has allowed other fish species to balloon (because competition from the cod was removed). This has allowed seals to become over-populated in many areas. Because seals also eat cod, they are making it hard for the ecosystem to be resilient.

It's the same with deer populations in some parts of North America where bison and wolves have been removed. Overpopulation has causes increased disease and starvation.

Seals are nowhere near endangered, and there are so many other animals that need protection. Too many animal rights groups just use the seal hunt as a way to raise money, but then they disappear.

I do wish the hunt was more humane, but from an ecological perspective, it is necessary because of the mistakes we've made.

octothorp · 03-28-2006, 12:58 AM

I'm against cruelty to animals and all, but this whole thing reminds me of the guy who cut down the rare golden spruce on the queen charlottes. His political statement behind cutting down this rare and sacred tree was that the whole anti-logging movement was so wrapped up in protecting this one tree that they forgot about the forest. Same with this: there are endangered species all over the world that are being hunted to the point of extinction. The harp seal is not one of them (not by a long shot). There are animals all over the world that are routinely killed in inhumane ways. Again, the harp seal is not one of those, despite the fact that every year footage surfaces of isolated incidents where they aren't killed cleanly. These activists are so caught up with their popular causes that they avoid affecting any change where it's needed.

oldschoolcalgary · 03-28-2006, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by octothorp

I'm against cruelty to animals and all, but this whole thing reminds me of the guy who cut down the rare golden spruce on the queen charlottes. His political statement behind cutting down this rare and sacred tree was that the whole anti-logging movement was so wrapped up in protecting this one tree that they forgot about the forest. Same with this: there are endangered species all over the world that are being hunted to the point of extinction. The harp seal is not one of them (not by a long shot). There are animals all over the world that are routinely killed in inhumane ways. Again, the harp seal is not one of those, despite the fact that every year footage surfaces of isolated incidents where they aren't killed cleanly. These activists are so caught up with their popular causes that they avoid affecting any change where it's needed.

ahhh, but snuggling up with one of those cute, white Harp seals (never mind the fact it is illegal to kill any under a certain age-I think 3 months, after the white coat goes) isn't the same photo-op is it? I agree - but these celebs are just trying to get some quick pub...I'd love to see Bardot, Morrissey or the McCartney's protesting at a pig/chicken/cattle farm...

has anyone every seen cattle get slaughtered? a metal bolt being fired into their head so that we can eat beef? that's pretty appalling too - but it doesn't stop me from enjoying a nice T-Bone either...

FlamingLonghorn · 03-28-2006, 01:29 AM

McCartney and Morrissey do protest the eating of all meat. McCartney has been involved in the animal rights movement long before he met his new wife, Linda might have actually gotten him involved. I don't really know the extent of Morrissey's involvement in the movement, but McCartney is pretty much all over the place.

Sowa

ernie · 03-28-2006, 10:03 AM

Easiest way to deal with anti-seal hunters, anti-fur and anti-animal teasting crowd is by pointing out their leather belts or shoes they have no trouble purchasing or wearing. I also enjoy asking them if they plan to have their kids immunized or use an available cure for some disease they may get. They will truly answer off the cuff with "of course" not realizing the hypocritical nature of the response in reaping the benefits of the things they are protesting against.

Go4Gold · 03-28-2006, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by octothorp

I'm against cruelty to animals and all, but this whole thing reminds me of the guy who cut down the rare golden spruce on the queen charlottes. His political statement behind cutting down this rare and sacred tree was that the whole anti-logging movement was so wrapped up in protecting this one tree that they forgot about the forest. Same with this: there are endangered species all over the world that are being hunted to the point of extinction. The harp seal is not one of them (not by a long shot). There are animals all over the world that are routinely killed in inhumane ways. Again, the harp seal is not one of those, despite the fact that every year footage surfaces of isolated incidents where they aren't killed cleanly. These activists are so caught up with their popular causes that they avoid affecting any change where it's needed.

Just to add to the whole ordeal, is that this would not get the publicity it's getting if the seals were killed cleanly, using modern tools, rather than a club to be beaten to death. Make it quick and painless, use a gun.

Table 5 · 03-28-2006, 12:15 PM

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Make it quick and painless, use a gun.

I would imagine a gun would create blood splatter, which could stain the rest of the coat?

Hack&Lube · 03-28-2006, 12:33 PM

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I would imagine a gun would create blood splatter, which could stain the rest of the coat?

They do use guns. Rifles, but a bullet doesn't always kill in one shot. The problem is not with blood splatter, that's easy to clean.

The problem is with making a hole in the coat. A pick-axe isn't any better really.

Clubbing if done properly is probably humane. They knock out cows with a bolt on the head before they slaughtered.

mbrown · 03-28-2006, 01:50 PM

The 'club' has a spike in it to penetrate the skull. Someone mentioned cattle being slaughtered, this is very similar, except done on the ice. Maybe they should herd them up like cattle and do it in a factory? Something tells me that would be more traumatic to them. This is all about seals being cute. that's it.