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Old 03-27-2008, 05:33 PM   #1
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This is a fairly hot news item, I've just recieved an email stating that the Chinese Association in Calgary has been granted approval by the provincial and municpal govt's for an anti-Tibetan parade to take place this Sat. March 29th from 1-4 p.m. This is absolutely ridiculous. How can the aggressor deny what they've done to the Tibetans, and now because their nationalism has been hurt from due Western criticism, they are actually going to hold a parade in Calgary to and I quote:
1. Mourning over the innocent victims of the violence
2. Condemning the terrorists in Tibet riots
3. Display the truth about Tibet and its history

Wow, I really do not believe Calgarians and Westerners will buy this disgusting ploy. Absolutely sickens me as a Tibetan. They have killed 1.2 million Tibetans, destroyed 6,000 monasteries, forced many of us into exile, and now after offering 50 years of being a peaceful movement led by the Dalai Lama, they are doing this to the Tibetans? Hundreds of Tibetans were killed in the riots, 19 Chinese as consistently referred to by the Chinese media. Both are tragic, but nonetheless this peaceful movement is boiling over and needs negotiation not hate. It has the same disgusting spirit of Holocaust denials. Sorry about the rant, I've posted the email below so you can see the route and details:


Subject: Invitation to Report The Parade of A True Tibet Story Sponsored by Calgrian Chinese,
Sat.29th Mar.1-4:00pm, Downtown,

Dear sir,
I am the lady who emailed you to offer the links on Tibet story a couple of days ago. Please pay
attention to the following parade announcement as it has been approved by both provincial and
the municipal governments. This parade has been long looked forward to by Chinese who
have been waiting for permission or approvment from the local authorities. Please take this as an
invitation to interview and help record and report this event. As the average Chinese not
representing any parties and government, we simply hope to exchange and share the information with
local people and media press. Please provide to hear us out.
Thanks and the presence to report from Calgary Herald is highly appreciated in advance.
Sincerely
HuaFengWangYou (a fan of www.chinasmile.net)

Sat.29th Mar.1-4:00pm, Downtown, City Hall, The Parade of A True Tibet Story Sponsored by Calgrian
Chinese

Public Notice
As part of pan- Canada parade on condemning the recent Riots in Tibet, the Parade Committee -
Calgary would announce to the public that an Exhibition about A True Tibet and a Parade will be held
on Saturday, Mar. 29, 2008 starting at 1:00pm.
The parade will depart from City Hall/Olympic Plaza located at Macleod Trail and proceeds north on
Macleod Trail. The parade will turn left on to 3 Avenue SW. The parade will then turn left on to 1
Street SW followed by another right on to 6 Avenue SW. Following this, the parade will turn left on
to 10 Street SW and then turn left on to 8 Avenue SW. The parade will then return to the City Hall
where the parade will end.
The purposes of the Exhibition and the Parade are:
1. Mourning over the innocent victims of the violence
2. Condemning the terrorists in Tibet riots
3. Display the truth about Tibet and its history
We invite all media in Alberta region to attend this activity.
For more information on the parade or the Exhibition, please contact the Parade Committee - Calgary
office at (403) 828-0686. Peace4China@gmail.com


Cc: The Provincial Government of Alberta
The Municipal Government of Calgary
Members of Legislation of Assembly
Calgary Police Authority
All Media


Also, if you need to know more background on the Tibetan issue, I made a few posts in the China-Tibet topic on CP, and I've included an overview of both sides, although my sentiments is obviously that of a Tibetan.

Below is the link on CP to the other topic, I really felt this needed its own topic because it was excessive and also dealt with a local issue:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=55979



p.s.: In Toronto posters were calling on Chinese to join an ANTI TIBETAN protest, but since then they have revised the title to make it more politically correct. The Tibetan cause is not Anti-Chinese, nor pro-Tibetan, it is simply pro-justice.
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Old 03-27-2008, 05:35 PM   #2
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Free speech, yada yada. They have a right to protest here. In China, they do not. That's what makes the difference, whether you like it or not or what side you are on.

While the majority of the Chinese population in Calgary and Canada up to the turn of the century was mostly Cantonese from the Hong Kong region and thusly virulently anti-Communist China, immigration from Mainland China has increased substantially in the past decade and that is probably leading to this, or it may simply be somebody pulling the strings down at the Chinese consulate in Calgary or whatever.

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Old 03-27-2008, 05:36 PM   #3
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Hmmm, have they forgotten that our media here is free and open? Most Chinese don't even know that the Dalai Lama won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989.

It will be hard to persuade Canadians to protest against Tibet without having control over the news.
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I'll be the guy throwing tomatoes at them from the roof tops. I'm really outraged at the arrogance the Chinese have displayed over this whole Tibet thing. How in the world can they justify their argument from a truly informed (and removed) perspective? Chinese Canadians are getting the true story, yet they still have the nerve to protest?

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Old 03-27-2008, 05:51 PM   #5
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Free speech, yada yada. They have a right to protest here. In China, they do not. That's what makes the difference, whether you like it or not or what side you are on.

While the majority of the Chinese population in Calgary and Canada up to the turn of the century was mostly Cantonese from the Hong Kong region and thusly virulently anti-China, immigration from Mainland China has increased substantially in the past decade and that is probably leading to this, or it may simply be somebody pulling the strings down at the Chinese consulate in Calgary or whatever.
Absolutely Hack & Lube, they are entitled to protest (I suppose Western and Tibetan criticism) in the name of free speech absolutely, I agree. The Chinese have a military machine against the Tibetans, and all we really rely on is our international support due to the moral highground of our plight to freedom, and I pray our worldwide support remains with us until a solution is found, because by and large the Tibetan cause has been a beacon for peace since the takeover 50 years.
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I'll be the guy throwing tomatoes at them from the roof tops. I'm really outraged at the arrogance the Chinese have displayed over this whole Tibet thing. How in the world can they justify their argument from a truly informed (and removed) perspective? Chinese Canadians are getting the true story, yet they still have the nerve to protest?
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I can easily see this being an "Aryan Guard" thing where more people come out and oppose the rally than in it's honor. However it's not like this is really being sponsored by free-thinking individuals, I would tend to think this is a Chinese government thing and they'll do their damnest to 'convince' those of whom they have influence over here in Calgary to show up and make a presence. Just on those grounds I'll be there opposing them and I'd encourage anyone who thinks this is BS to come help oppose too.
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I'll be the guy throwing tomatoes at them from the roof tops. I'm really outraged at the arrogance the Chinese have displayed over this whole Tibet thing. How in the world can they justify their argument from a truly informed (and removed) perspective? Chinese Canadians are getting the true story, yet they still have the nerve to protest?
As a Tibetan born and raised here, I remember the Dalai Lama asking us Tibetans to be ambassadors for our people as a kid. I was one of the first hundred or so Tibetans born in Canada during the 80's, and although I am not political by nature, I feel an obligation to speak out for those in Tibet who have been silenced. I appeal to my Chinese brothers and sisters as a Tibetan, which is at the crux of the quote up there, try to be objective, without nationalism for a second. I, as a Tibetan, have tried this myself to see your perspective, and although it is a tough pill to swallow based on our historical status, will concede Tibetan land to China (as we may benefit materially from China and China spiritually from Tibetans), but I cannot for the life of me understand the continued human rights attrocities there.There is a reason why International support is so high for the Tibetan cause than most other ethnic movements. Tibetans and the Dalai Lama have made maximum concessions, and we urge the Chinese to rethink their actions and treatment of Tibet. Again to the Chinese, it is not anti-Chinese, not pro-Tibetan, it's simply pro-justice. As my Tibetan brother stated in a seperate posting, China has taken our land (we may never get it back irrespective of historical status, and the Dalai Lama is offering a genuine, peaceful and moderate solution) but please don't add insult to injury, human rights is our birthright, and for this we won't give up. Please ask your fellow Chinese to calm down and negotiate a solution with the Dalai Lama, the sole and legitimate leader of the Tibetan people.

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You know, Non-Violent protest really isnt working, they really should give violent protest a try.
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Which building?

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I had a friend with an air powered potato canon. We could hit street signs from 100ft with cans of tomato soup. the good old days...
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Old 03-30-2008, 07:33 PM   #12
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1000 Communist China and their Useful idiots stage protest in Toronto.

Police detained one man after he charged across a busy street to where the Tibetans were protesting, waving a large Chinese flag. He was identified as University of Toronto student Yang Shao by other students in the square

I guess the Princelings and Princesslings need to pay hommage to the money train? At least I hope so. It would bother me if these were Canadian born and raised people.
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I saw a bit of the protest in Olympic Plaza on Saturday. Might have been about 100-200 people there. I found it ironic that those people would use the rights that Canada gives them to protest in favour of a government that denies those very same rights to not only it's own citizens, but that of a nation is is occupying.
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I saw a bit of the protest in Olympic Plaza on Saturday. Might have been about 100-200 people there. I found it ironic that those people would use the rights that Canada gives them to protest in favour of a government that denies those very same rights to not only it's own citizens, but that of a nation is is occupying.
Just proves that a good education doesn't guarantee intelligence.
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Great article on Chinese nationalism.

If the tough tactics have startled the outside world, the Communist Party for now seems more concerned with rallying domestic opinion by using and responding to the deep strains of nationalism in Chinese society. Playing to national pride, and national insecurities, the party has used censorship and propaganda to position itself as defender of the motherland - and block any examination of Tibetan grievances or its own performance in the crisis.

But the heavy emphasis on nationalism is not without risks. With less than five months before the opening of the Beijing Olympics, China's sharp criticism of the foreign media comes precisely when it wants to present a welcoming impression to the outside world. Instead, Chinese citizens, including many overseas, are posting thousands of angry messages on Web sites and making crank calls to some foreign media offices in Beijing.
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Great article on Chinese nationalism.

If the tough tactics have startled the outside world, the Communist Party for now seems more concerned with rallying domestic opinion by using and responding to the deep strains of nationalism in Chinese society. Playing to national pride, and national insecurities, the party has used censorship and propaganda to position itself as defender of the motherland - and block any examination of Tibetan grievances or its own performance in the crisis.
Oddly enough some of China's bigger supporters on this board also chide George W Bush for doing the same thing but yet give the Reds the benefit of the doubt.
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