Unbelievably tragic. Allegedly the plane was carrying many members of the national figure skating community (and Russia's too) as there was some sort of training event following the national championship.
I am not an expert on reviewing this sort of thing, but it does seem like the tower issued pretty clear instructions. Those poor folks in the tower. They will no doubt have PTSD as a result of this. I commend their ability to maintain some composure to ensure there wasn't pandemonium and more disaster after the tragedy.
Man, looking at the tracking, it looks like instead of turning "behind" they turned into it. But they were on final to the runway from the looks of it, so they didn't have much space to do anything different. Really, the heli should have veered east, and at least have been aware they were about to cross between a landing aircraft and the runway it was heading for.
Also absolutely not an expert, but have FSIM 95 stick time.
I am both shocked and amazed at Trump and other MAGA's blaming of DEI
I mean, Trump just fired 400 FAA employees, Elon Musk forced the resignation of the FAA head bcause he didn't like the treatment of his companies, Trump's idiot Transportation Secretary Duffy couldn't even say if there was a replacement at the FAA, and Duffy and equally stupid Hegseth are the Secretaries in charge.
Butr yeah, DEI.
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Had leadership meetings at National Harbor just north of Reagan this week. Driving into the airport this morning was pretty surreal. Could see the recovery operations going on from the road.
Not 100% sure of the runway set up but these people were literally 20 seconds or so from.being safe on the ground.
Plane originated in Wichita where I live which is also surreal.
Just a horrible tragedy.
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In the recording someone asks about the number of souls. I remember in the Swiss air crash off the east coast the air traffic controller asked about souls. I don’t know if that’s standard language but I always found it chilling.
In the recording someone asks about the number of souls. I remember in the Swiss air crash off the east coast the air traffic controller asked about souls. I don’t know if that’s standard language but I always found it chilling.
Yes it's standard language, it's how they refer to the passengers. Used everywhere.
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Something that stands out to me listening to all that is just how fast paced and non-stop air traffic controlling is. Like I always knew it is considered a very difficult and high stress job, but it's just non-stop and intense. The amount of focus, attention to details, awareness, and memorization it must take especially when the stakes are so high.
I am really curious about how the structure works. Do they get to take frequent breaks, and how do you hand over during breaks and shift changes. I imagine they must have constant overlap and not abrupt handovers? I don't know... I find it interesting and unsettling at the same time.
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Something that stands out to me listening to all that is just how fast paced and non-stop air traffic controlling is. Like I always knew it is considered a very difficult and high stress job, but it's just non-stop and intense. The amount of focus, attention to details, awareness, and memorization it must take especially when the stakes are so high.
I am really curious about how the structure works. Do they get to take frequent breaks, and how do you hand over during breaks and shift changes. I imagine they must have constant overlap and not abrupt handovers? I don't know... I find it interesting and unsettling at the same time.
A few years ago I got a tour of the new ATC tower here in Calgary, and they were operating the simulator on the ground floor at the time. I got to plug in and work the west tower, and even with my experience from flying out of YYC for years I still managed to clear an aircraft into position on 35L when there was traffic on short final. Let this slip up happen about 10 minutes into trying things out.
Constant overlap yes, I think they brief the incoming controller as to what is going on as they plug into the station for the hand off. I'll defer to our much more experienced members on here for the details.
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Something that stands out to me listening to all that is just how fast paced and non-stop air traffic controlling is. Like I always knew it is considered a very difficult and high stress job, but it's just non-stop and intense. The amount of focus, attention to details, awareness, and memorization it must take especially when the stakes are so high.
I am really curious about how the structure works. Do they get to take frequent breaks, and how do you hand over during breaks and shift changes. I imagine they must have constant overlap and not abrupt handovers? I don't know... I find it interesting and unsettling at the same time.
What I remember, in Canada, they work 50% of their shift and I think each tower can operate different operating lengths but not in excessive of two hours. So two hours on, two hours off. Many are one hour on, one hour off.
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It really makes you question why they are allowing choppers to cross the approach path at that altitude. Yeah, it’s military and it’s DC, but there is no rational reason a training flight needs to cross the guide slope at all.
You would have to assume that will change very quickly.
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Washington DC Plane Crash
