Class action lawsuit against NCAA for preventing Major Junior players from playing

[sureLoss]

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[Cheese]

Great, its a stupid rule!

[lazypucker]

So Westhead points out that there is no such rule for the NCAA to ban CHL players, but the top universities are just running a cartel and decide to boycott anyone who has played with CHL teams.

Basically the schools just hate the CHL and intentionally overlook their players...

[TimSJ]

as the dad of a kid headed to a CHL Camp this week I hope it happens.

Crazy that at 16 he needs to make the decision today on whether to stay past 48hrs and play and exhibition game next week and if it doesn't pan out or he has a change of heart he does he cant go to another path.

More options for kids can only be better.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by TimSJ

as the dad of a kid headed to a CHL Camp this week I hope it happens.

Crazy that at 16 he needs to make the decision today on whether to stay past 48hrs and play and exhibition game next week and if it doesn't pan out or he has a change of heart he does he cant go to another path.

More options for kids can only be better.

Is that 48 hour rule a thing? I thought you just couldn't take any sort of payment or items that could be considered payment?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

So Westhead points out that there is no such rule for the NCAA to ban CHL players, but the top universities are just running a cartel and decide to boycott anyone who has played with CHL teams.

Basically the schools just hate the CHL and intentionally overlook their players...

Yeah not sure why D1 Coaches would vote against taking CHL players... deepens the talent pool they have to draw from.

Maybe scared it will be harder for Americans and USHL players to get on NCAA teams?

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Yeah not sure why D1 Coaches would vote against taking CHL players... deepens the talent pool they have to draw from.

Maybe scared it will be harder for Americans and USHL players to get on NCAA teams?

It reduces the natural advantage the top schools have when it comes to recruitment is my guess.

The big chaos would be the graduating CHLers, age 20 or 21 who probably don't have the upside of a 17-year-old recruit from the USHL but they're a better player right now.

[MegaErtz]

The bigger issue is having sixteen year olds riding around in buses all over Canada for $100 a week. Totally unacceptable given the culture of bullying, hazing, sexual assault, and drug and alcohol abuse. There's no reason junior hockey in Canada shouldn't be played by men aged 18-22 instead of 16-20. Let kids finish high school and then decide if they want to play in the CHL or NCAA.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

The bigger issue is having sixteen year olds riding around in buses all over Canada for $100 a week. Totally unacceptable given the culture of bullying, hazing, sexual assault, and drug and alcohol abuse. There's no reason junior hockey in Canada shouldn't be played by men aged 18-22 instead of 16-20. Let kids finish high school and then decide if they want to play in the CHL or NCAA.

Well...no reason except then it isnt junior hockey.

So weird.

[MegaErtz]

So call it something different? Not sure why the nomenclature means so much to you.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by TimSJ

as the dad of a kid headed to a CHL Camp this week I hope it happens.

Crazy that at 16 he needs to make the decision today on whether to stay past 48hrs and play and exhibition game next week and if it doesn't pan out or he has a change of heart he does he cant go to another path.

More options for kids can only be better.

Yeah I had a friend go through this with his kid. He was a goalie, suit uo and not play in one exhibition game and ncaa eligibility is gone. So stupid to make a kid make that decision.

[TimSJ]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Is that 48 hour rule a thing? I thought you just couldn't take any sort of payment or items that could be considered payment?

you can stay past 48 hrs but all has to be on your own dime (housing, food, equipment etc) and cannot play in Exhibition game even 1 and you are ineligible.

The 48hrs the NCAA considers the same as an Official NCAA "Visit" in which team can wine, dine, give them swag etc

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

So call it something different? Not sure why the nomenclature means so much to you.

It’s not the nomenclature, it’s that you’re removing a development path for kids 16-17 and not replacing it with anything.

Junior hockey is going to exist.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

The bigger issue is having sixteen year olds riding around in buses all over Canada for $100 a week. Totally unacceptable given the culture of bullying, hazing, sexual assault, and drug and alcohol abuse. There's no reason junior hockey in Canada shouldn't be played by men aged 18-22 instead of 16-20. Let kids finish high school and then decide if they want to play in the CHL or NCAA.

Well I can think of one reason. You are robbing talented young hockey players of prime development years. What do they do for 2-3 years then?

[MegaErtz]

They stay playing in leagues that allow them to sleep in their own beds every night, just like all the players that into MLB, the NFL, and the NBA. They can then choose to attend a university or play for a CHL team.

I'd much rather player get drafted into the NHL at age 21 or 22 anyway. Very few 18 year olds make it in the NHL in their draft year, and for the handful (or less) that do, I'd rather them play CHL or NCAA hockey for a few years before getting drafted. We all know that drafting 17-18 year olds is a huge lottery anyway, and I'd much rather draft picks be worth more as you'd be drafting guys ready to play in the NHL right away.

The only reason this is allowed to happen is because of greedy CHL owners and their monopoly of youth hockey. Look at the Hitmen - you're telling me the Flames don't make a fortune off the backs of these kids who play for hamburger money? They are professional players sacrificing the prime learning years of their lives to ride buses all over Western Canada, and should be compensated as such.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

They stay playing in leagues that allow them to sleep in their own beds every night, just like all the players that into MLB, the NFL, and the NBA. They can then choose to attend a university or play for a CHL team.

I'd much rather player get drafted into the NHL at age 21 or 22 anyway. Very few 18 year olds make it in the NHL in their draft year, and for the handful (or less) that do, I'd rather them play CHL or NCAA hockey for a few years before getting drafted. We all know that drafting 17-18 year olds is a huge lottery anyway, and I'd much rather draft picks be worth more as you'd be drafting guys ready to play in the NHL right away.

The only reason this is allowed to happen is because of greedy CHL owners and their monopoly of youth hockey. Look at the Hitmen - you're telling me the Flames don't make a fortune off the backs of these kids who play for hamburger money? They are professional players sacrificing the prime learning years of their lives to ride buses all over Western Canada, and should be compensated as such.

You'd need to replicate the absolutely insane support for high school sports in the US and don't think Canada will go for that.

[MegaErtz]

If the sport can't survive without profiting off the backs of slave labour, then it doesn't deserve to exit.

[bigrangy]

Expect to see a lot more CHL players going back into the drafts and not signing with their drafting teams if this ends up happening. Currently, if you don’t sign with your drafting team, you run out of development opportunities before you’re a UFA, but if the NCAA opens up, there’s going to be a bunch of guys that can keep developing there. Will be interesting to see what happens.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Expect to see a lot more CHL players going back into the drafts and not signing with their drafting teams if this ends up happening. Currently, if you don’t sign with your drafting team, you run out of development opportunities before you’re a UFA, but if the NCAA opens up, there’s going to be a bunch of guys that can keep developing there. Will be interesting to see what happens.

It will be a CBA issue. Friedman a few months ago said the NHL was preparing teams that CHL players may eventually be allowed to play in the NCAA.

They will have to negotiate how the draft rights work for those who decide to go CHL to NCAA with the NHLPA.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

They stay playing in leagues that allow them to sleep in their own beds every night, just like all the players that into MLB, the NFL, and the NBA. They can then choose to attend a university or play for a CHL team.

I'd much rather player get drafted into the NHL at age 21 or 22 anyway. Very few 18 year olds make it in the NHL in their draft year, and for the handful (or less) that do, I'd rather them play CHL or NCAA hockey for a few years before getting drafted. We all know that drafting 17-18 year olds is a huge lottery anyway, and I'd much rather draft picks be worth more as you'd be drafting guys ready to play in the NHL right away.

The only reason this is allowed to happen is because of greedy CHL owners and their monopoly of youth hockey. Look at the Hitmen - you're telling me the Flames don't make a fortune off the backs of these kids who play for hamburger money? They are professional players sacrificing the prime learning years of their lives to ride buses all over Western Canada, and should be compensated as such.

So which is it, they stay playing in their own town in their beds or is it just a matter of compensation?