BOURQUE says stick a fork in them...Libs done! - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

HOZ · 01-05-2006, 06:36 PM

Bourque.org is one of the best news information sites. Lots of links to paper everywhere on the planet and more.

http://bourque.org

Shawnski · 01-05-2006, 06:57 PM

Not a site I have heard of before, and not one I am going to put any credence into at this point.... however... good pic there....

Fiberal pork bellies anyone???

evman150 · 01-06-2006, 01:05 AM

Wow. Cause that isn't right biased at all.

Is the guy that runs the site named Tucker Bourque by any chance?

Barf.

Agamemnon · 01-06-2006, 09:14 AM

Lol, they've got some great feedback about Bourque in here...

"University students across the country, in need of news on demand, use Bourque as the 21st Century news stand. The ones who don't clearly don't have a clue about what's going on in the world." - Political Junkie Shuv Majumdar, 20

I went to school with this 'political junkie', and he's as right-wing as it gets (scary-right).

Not knowing anything about Bourque, and having never heard of it, I can't really comment on its validity. But it sure has a crappy web page. I'd wager its a few guys/girls who surf the news all over the place and repeat what they read (with a bit of a right-wing bent). Of course, there are leftist rags out there with the same shabby look and obvious bias...

Cheese · 01-06-2006, 09:32 AM

who in the hell is this guy?
Heres my scoop...for the first time in years I too think the Cons will win a majority...yep you heard that right here...first!

I live in a Liberal riding and the influx of blue Conservative signs is amazing. The buzz from people are they are going to hold their nose and vote Con....the only worry I have that could throw a wrinkle in it all are these two points:

- the Cons get a squeaky wheel. Some moron brings up the Jesus puzzle or Gay marriage again.

- the people decide that they cant vote Con and toss theor vote at the Greens or NDPs causing a backdoor election for the Libs.

Agamemnon · 01-06-2006, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheese

- the people decide that they cant vote Con and toss theor vote at the Greens or NDPs causing a backdoor election for the Libs.

I think that's an interesting point.

Voters who in the past voted Liberal may decide not to due to the various recent and historical scandals. The thing is... the ideology of these people is still intact, making the Greens/NDP a probable alternative for a lot of them. That probably helps the Conservatives in some ways in that there are no real 'conservative' alternative parties. The Centre-Left/Left seems to have 3 parties, the Centre-Right/Right only has 1. That should, I assume, work to the benefit of the Conservatives.

Can't wait to see what happens. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if we get a Conservative-Minority Government. I wouldn't mind that at all, really... if it wasn't for Harper. Bring back Manning!

Fozzie_DeBear · 01-06-2006, 11:59 AM

If the cons win a minority, do you think that the NDP Libs could forge a coalition and keep PM as PM?
________
INNOCENTGIRL2 live

Agamemnon · 01-06-2006, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

If the cons win a minority, do you think that the NDP Libs could forge a coalition and keep PM as PM?

If they have enough seats, I'd almost bet on this happening.

It seems to make sense from an NDP point of view, better to eat directly at the trough than be re-relegated to 4/5th most powerful party in the House. A lot to gain by allying with the Liberals, not much to lose (except credibility from those on the centre/right... which the NDP didn't exactly have in spades to start).

Lurch · 01-06-2006, 12:41 PM

I'm not too sure about an NDP/Liberal coalition. I think that signifies the end of the NDP as a viable party nationally - once you cede your identity to a larger party like that it's hard to make a come back as an independent party. Closest thing I can think of was in SK when the conservatives and liberals joined to form the Saskatchewan party.

Cowperson · 01-06-2006, 12:44 PM

The NDP propped up several Liberal minorities in the 70's and early 80's . . . . . and then they DID almost disappear in the Tory routs of the 80's.

They'll always have their consistuency though.

Cowperson

Bobblehead · 01-06-2006, 03:04 PM

I've read a few blogs from Ont where the writers are saying the public will give the cons a chance as long as they believe it will be a minority gov't.

It will be evry interesting to see if enough of them think that way to end up a majority? Or will they get spooked if the polls show the cons winning?

This is getting very interesting.

Hakan · 01-06-2006, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cowperson

The NDP propped up several Liberal minorities in the 70's and early 80's . . . . . and then they DID almost disappear in the Tory routs of the 80's.

They'll always have their consistuency though.

Cowperson

Huh? The NDP had their highest ever seat count in the 80s when Mulroney was PM.

edit: 43 seats in 1988

So yeah, brush up on Canadian electoral history before making it out like you're an expert.

MarchHare · 01-06-2006, 03:30 PM

I'm both a liberal and a Liberal, but I'm hoping for a Conservative minority win at this point.

In terms of fiscal policy, there's not much where I disagree with the Conservatives anyway (and also the Liberals, for that matter, who have shifted to the right with Martin as finance minister and PM). It's the social policy of the Conservatives that I disagree with, but in a minority situation, with all three other parties being socially to the left, I would have little to worry about there.

A Conservative minority would also force the Liberals to clean house and likely see a change in leadership. While I think Martin was an excellent finance minister, he has admittedly been a letdown as PM (in his defense he did inherit a lot of crap from Chretien). Assuming Frank McKenna runs for the Liberal leadership (which is virtually guaranteed), he'd be an excellent PM and would likely give the Liberals another majority after what is bound to be a short-lived Conservative minority.

If you're a Conservative supporter, there really isn't much to hope for from this election unless they can win a majority government, which seems incredibly unlikely. While the polls now show the two parties in a dead heat, it hasn't been because the CPC is gaining support; rather, it's the Liberals that are losing it. Harper's support has barely moved from the 30-35% mark since the election call despite a slew of policy announcements and a lackluster Liberal campaign.

So if the Conservatives win a minority, the Liberals will likely change leadership to someone completely disassociated with the sponsorship scandal (like McKenna) and win a majority next time. OTOH, if the Liberals win another minority, we'll see a near-clone of our last parliament, and Harper will probably step down. If the CPC has any sense at all, they'll realize that they'll never win a majority so long as they carry the vestigas of the Reform/Alliance parties and choose a leader more palatable to the rest of Canada East of Manitoba. So as a Liberal, a small Conservative minority is the best-case scenario at the moment.

Hakan · 01-06-2006, 03:34 PM

I wouldn't be too upset with a Conservative minority. They would handle the government with velvet gloves until the next election to hopefully get a majority. I'm scared of the majority. Call me whatever but I just don't jibe with tax cuts for the rich and service cuts for the poor. That's bee Harper's M.O. since he was head of the shadowy NCC group. If you read up on previous stuff he was associated with under the NCC it's pretty damn scary: hard right economic policies.

peter12 · 01-06-2006, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cowperson

The NDP propped up several Liberal minorities in the 70's and early 80's . . . . . and then they DID almost disappear in the Tory routs of the 80's.

They'll always have their consistuency though.

Cowperson

They won 43 seats in the 1988 election. When the Liberals get hurt the NDP flourish. We could very well see that happen again.

EDIT: Whoops Hakan already called you out.

Flame On · 01-06-2006, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakan

I wouldn't be too upset with a Conservative minority. They would handle the government with velvet gloves until the next election to hopefully get a majority. I'm scared of the majority. Call me whatever but I just don't jibe with tax cuts for the rich and service cuts for the poor. That's bee Harper's M.O. since he was head of the shadowy NCC group. If you read up on previous stuff he was associated with under the NCC it's pretty damn scary: hard right economic policies.

I'm kinda leaning that way too now, and what's more it'll be fantastic fun to jump all over any little hiccup or glitch the Cons will have just like has been the case for the Libs.

Hakan · 01-06-2006, 03:53 PM

I agree, the Conservatives know that they will have to keep their noses pretty damn clean in light of all the mud they have slung for the past two and a half years.

When it comes down to it, Conservative governments are the irregularity of Canadian electoral trends. The Liberal Party is also called the Government Party, they will be back, unfortunately.

4X4 · 01-06-2006, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I think that's an interesting point.

Voters who in the past voted Liberal may decide not to due to the various recent and historical scandals. The thing is... the ideology of these people is still intact, making the Greens/NDP a probable alternative for a lot of them. That probably helps the Conservatives in some ways in that there are no real 'conservative' alternative parties. The Centre-Left/Left seems to have 3 parties, the Centre-Right/Right only has 1. That should, I assume, work to the benefit of the Conservatives.

Can't wait to see what happens. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if we get a Conservative-Minority Government. I wouldn't mind that at all, really... if it wasn't for Harper. Bring back Manning!

Wow... Never thought I'd hear you say Bring back Manning. Set our differences aside for a moment and take a sec to tell me why. Not that I disagree or agree, just wondering... Are you joking...?

Oh, BTW, I responded as soon as I read this. Not sure if you've already answered this in a later post.

transplant99 · 01-06-2006, 04:08 PM

Quote:

I'm kinda leaning that way too now, and what's more it'll be fantastic fun to jump all over any little hiccup or glitch the Cons will have just like has been the case for the Libs.

the 1.98 BILLION dollar over run of a failed gun registry, stealing money through AdScam, etc etc etc...are "little hiccup or glitches"???

Holy smokes.....that's pitiful.

Shawnski · 01-06-2006, 04:29 PM

Looks like a pretty big rally for Harper in London, Ont today....

Quote:

Conservative Leader Stephen Harper is about to speak at a rally in downtown London.
By my estimate, there are more than 1,200 people. Conservative campaign
staff believe there are more than 1,700 here.
In any event, this appears to be easily the best attended rally of the
election.
So far, the biggest rallies I've seen during three weeks with Harper and a
week with Layton are less than 500 people.
My colleagues with the Liberals say there's been nothing this big there.
Still waiting to hear about the BQ.

http://david-akin.electionblog.ctv.c...sp?item=128554