1. Rank the prospects as you like. Upside, chances, or trade value
2. I will try and do one a day which should get us to mid to late August
3. Graduates and/or runoffs will be determined in each case
4. Please don't complain that the polls are going to deep. We go until all the prospects are ranked, so don't vote if you don't want to.
1. Parekh, Zayne 81% NA
2. Wolf, Dustin 84% -1
3. Coronato, Matt 74% -1
4. Brzustewicz, Hunter 51% NA
5. Honzek, Sam 45% -2
6. Pelletier, Jakob 33% -3
7. Gridin, Matvei 45% NA
8. Basha, Andrew 30% NA
9. Morin, Étienne 43% -1
10. Strömgren, William 43% 0
11. Poirier, Jeremie 40% -5
12. Grushnikov, Artem 39% NA
13. Mews, Henry 49% NA
14. Suniev, Aydar Run Off -6
15. Battaglia, Jacob Run Off NA
16. Misa, Luke Run Off NA
17. Soloyvov, Ilya Run Off -6
18. Klapka, Adam 44% -1
19. Lipinski, Jaden 42% +1
20. Kuznetsov, Yan 45% -11
21. Jurmo, Joni 19% NA
22. Sergeev, Arseni 22% -10
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Blue Chip (No doubt NHLer with high likelihood of being a star player) Parekh
A level (High likelihood of NHL career, possibility of being a star player) Wolf Coronato Brzustewicz Morin
A- Level (moderate possibility of NHL career and possibility of being a star player) Poirier Honzek Basha Gridin Suniev Stromgren Mews Misa Sergeev
B+ level (high likelihood of NHL career but low possibility of being a star player) Pelletier Grushnikov Kuznetsov Solovyov Lipinski Battaglia
B level (moderate possibility at NHL career and low possibility of being a star player) Schwindt Klapka
Bell Jurmo
Hurtig
Jamieson
Okhotiuk
Morton
Yegorov
C level (longshot prospects with some upside or runway left)
Laing
Hoskin
Kerins
Littler
Ciona
Ignatjew
Zarubin
D level (prospect washouts)
Boltmann
Chechelev
Koumontzis
Current pick in bold.
Glad to see Sergeev finally get picked last round. I had him about 5-6 spots higher personally.
Now we're on to the B prospects. I went with Schwindt over Bell only because he's played a handful of NHL games and didn't look completely out of place. Not sure he'll ever be more than a 4th line center, but he's at least decent at that.
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Outside of Boltmann and Koumontzis, I have some level of intrigue/optimism with all the remaining prospects.
Voted for Zarubin. Russia produces forwards and goalies. I am really curious if the Flames get scouting eyes on prospects like him playing in the Russian juniors or if they just rely on third party reports and stats. Regardless, the Flames are building a bit of a Russian/Belorussian contingent which does ease some of the Russian risk concern.
Outside of Boltmann and Koumontzis, I have some level of intrigue/optimism with all the remaining prospects.
Voted for Zarubin. Russia produces forwards and goalies. I am really curious if the Flames get scouting eyes on prospects like him playing in the Russian juniors or if they just rely on third party reports and stats. Regardless, the Flames are building a bit of a Russian/Belorussian contingent which does ease some of the Russian risk concern.
The Flames added Denis Grebeshkov as a Russian area scout. I believe they added him a year ago. Button mentioned that he greatly increased the Flames' familiarity with the Russian players. This seems to suggest they didn't have many in person scouting opportunities before.
PS: I forgot that Loubordias got a job as a Reserve List Scout with the Flames. He was always a walking hockey encyclopedia, and had a great eye for junior talent.
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Zarubin. Rinse & repeat lol (but edging closer - it might be his time).
(Probably doing this for a while; some goalie guys thought he was the best netminder in the draft fwiw)
Including HockeyProspect (these lads know their stuff, been around for some time) - as FlamesAddiction shared in round 21:
Hurtig, Bell, Yegorov, Hoskin, Morton all admittedly intrigue me in this ranking range...
*Kind of a cool side note, as I mention goalies - Flames Director of Goaltending, Jordan Sigalet, just gave us (@UpsideHockey) a follow on Twitter fwiw*
[As adapted from Cali Panthers Fan]
Flames Prospect Tiers italics = already selected
Blue Chip (No doubt NHLer with high likelihood of being a star player) Parekh
A level (High likelihood of NHL career, possibility of being a star player)
Wolf
Coronato
Gridin
Honzek
Brzustewicz
A- Level (high likelihood of NHL career and slightly lower possibility of being a star player)
Basha
Morin
Stromgren
B+ level (high likelihood of NHL career but low possibility of being a star player)
Pelletier
Grushnikov
Battaglia
Mews
Poirier
Suniev
Misa
B- level (possibility of NHL career but low possibility of being a star player)
Jurmo
Hurtig
Zarubin
Kuznetsov
Solovyov
Sergeev
Yegorov
Bell
Klapka
Lipinski
Kerins
Schwindt
C level (intriguing, but need to see more to pass judgement)
not sure why you would have Sergeev as an A, Yegorov as a B and Zarubin as a C
the goalies are all pretty similar as prospects IMO
The way I looked at it, Sergeev is farther along in his development and hasn't had a major hiccup, but steady progress. Playing in the NCAA is a good challenge too.
Yegorov has put up similar numbers for one less year since draft, but in the MHL, which is a significant step down from NCAA.
Zarubin put up crazy numbers last year in the MHL, but had very pedestrian to poor numbers before that. He is in his draft year and now has to prove that last year wasn't a fluke before I give him the same consideration.
Basically, it's about age and lack of regression for some, but inherent risk in the others that remains.
But again, it's just my opinion, and goalies are notoriously hard to evaluate as prospects and project to the future, so my ranking could be utterly meaningless.
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This round, for example, Morton has twice as many votes as Schwindt. I'm struggling to make sense of that when you consider Schwindt is 2 years younger, 2" taller, a C (Morton a LW), and has 239 AHL GP to Morton's 19.
I could understand it if Morton dominated NCAA in his last 2 seasons, his 23yo and 24yo, but he didn't. He put up 42pts in 47GP.
I think Morton will get a cup of coffee this season; I think his skating has helped him pass Schwindt on the Wranglers depth chart
Morton has above average skating; Schwindt has below average skating
Morton was a final 10, and the only player from the CCHA to be a Hobey Baker finalist. He had a great final season in college
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This round, for example, Morton has twice as many votes as Schwindt. I'm struggling to make sense of that when you consider Schwindt is 2 years younger, 2" taller, a C (Morton a LW), and has 239 AHL GP to Morton's 19.
I could understand it if Morton dominated NCAA in his last 2 seasons, his 23yo and 24yo, but he didn't. He put up 42pts in 47GP.
Morton is a center.
It's mostly recency bias, combined with the fact that they both project as fourth liners and Morton seems much closer to actually getting there than Schwindt. Their respective ages and other differences don't really matter since they project into the same player tier. Morton is the better player right now, and is also (IIRC) stronger on faceoffs.
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This round, for example, Morton has twice as many votes as Schwindt. I'm struggling to make sense of that when you consider Schwindt is 2 years younger, 2" taller, a C (Morton a LW), and has 239 AHL GP to Morton's 19.
I could understand it if Morton dominated NCAA in his last 2 seasons, his 23yo and 24yo, but he didn't. He put up 42pts in 47GP.
I get the feeling he is like a Walker Duehr type of prospect. He has a decent chance of getting a shot as a 4th line energy player.
Still, I am taking the goalie drafted in the 3rd round this year, which is high for a goalie. I think Parker Bell has more upside than Morton as well.
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With respect to the 18 remaining prospects Morton is the highest in the depth charts. In other words we is the closest to playing NHL games. That said, he is also tied for being the oldest person on the list.
There are 8 players who are 20 and under who I have ahead of him with respect to development trajectory.
Ignatjew is either an Artyom Zagidulin or a David Rittich. One year contract is a short window.
He'll take some time adjusting to the smaller rink, so it may be until the last half of the season before the organization has a real gauge of his ability. Remember too that he played in the AllSvenskan.
This round, for example, Morton has twice as many votes as Schwindt. I'm struggling to make sense of that when you consider Schwindt is 2 years younger, 2" taller, a C (Morton a LW), and has 239 AHL GP to Morton's 19.
I could understand it if Morton dominated NCAA in his last 2 seasons, his 23yo and 24yo, but he didn't. He put up 42pts in 47GP.
I picked Morton, I think that he is in the same general category as Schwindt. He is also a center, and he seemed to transition quite well to the AHL. Most notably, he managed to still generate offense at the AHL level. That's why in my limited viewings he appeared to think the game at a higher level. My hope is that he will be a lot more productive next year.
I see Schwindt as a 4th liner, that mostly tries to play a defensive game. I thought he played as well as Rooney, but when he was centering the 4th line it was underwater more often. Hopefully he can slow the game down a bit and take another step defensively.
After 22 rounds, I find it remarkable that only Lipinski has "moved up" the prospect ranking. Adding in the +/- was genius, Bingo. Shiny penny indeed.
I don't think shiny penny covers it as a definition when you draft that many times in the first three rounds and make trades to build out your prospect pool.
Sometime logic is just logic, and it doesn't need to be hammered on with some suggested bias.
Yeah, I don't see shiny penny syndrome at all, just a much deeper prospect pool.
Stromgren is a great example - his stock has risen significantly since last year, and all it meant was that he was able to maintain his same spot on the list (which was actually a fairly significant climb)
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