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Bingo · 11-10-2023, 10:13 PM

Leafs 5 Flames 4 (SO)

- Flames come back from down three to get a point
- Vladar pretty solid in preserving the point
- Goals from both rookies; Zary and Pospisil

Samonadreau · 11-11-2023, 01:56 AM

Its really not shocking how young exciting players were injected into the lineup and the Flames started playing an entertaining brand of Hockey. It is interesting though how the fans have been beating this drum for a while now. Maybe we aren't as dumb as we thought.

Kudos to Zary and Pospisil for helping make hockey fun again.

Burner · 11-11-2023, 05:22 AM

optics dont match the stats - Hanifin with good numbers but was a turn over machine and puck fumbler all night long

ComixZone · 11-11-2023, 07:45 AM

Just continue to push the youth. Pospisil and Zary producing and contributing in meaningful ways is more than I could have hoped for when the season started.

Flamesfan05 · 11-11-2023, 08:26 AM

Vladar was not solid. He was shaky to start. Calm down after but he panicked and lost track of Marner on the SO goal

As far as I am concerned, they need to ship him out and give Wolf a chance

shutout · 11-11-2023, 10:38 AM

"I think he’s like to have the Nylander goal in the second back on that two on one ..."

Looked to me like he was cheating a little for the pass.
Which for a goaltender means that you do not completely trust your defenseman to take away the passing option.

Bingo · 11-11-2023, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Burner

optics dont match the stats - Hanifin with good numbers but was a turn over machine and puck fumbler all night long

He was last on the team in xGF%.

Matches the optics perfectly.

Bingo · 11-11-2023, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Vladar was not solid. He was shaky to start. Calm down after but he panicked and lost track of Marner on the SO goal

As far as I am concerned, they need to ship him out and give Wolf a chance

They don't get a point if he's not their best player in the final 30 minutes of the game.

I didn't love the Jarnkrok goal, and the Nylander one has to be stopped.

But he redeemed himself into a check mark over all in my eyes.

Spurs · 11-11-2023, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Vladar was not solid. He was shaky to start. Calm down after but he panicked and lost track of Marner on the SO goal

As far as I am concerned, they need to ship him out and give Wolf a chance

He was solid after letting in 4 goals at least 3 of them that were weak.

Bingo · 11-11-2023, 11:38 AM

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He was solid after letting in 4 goals at least 3 of them that were weak.

I'd say maybe 2, not sure ino 3

And they don't get a point if he isn't their best player in the second half of the game.

Spurs · 11-11-2023, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I'd say maybe 2, not sure ino 3

And they don't get a point if he isn't their best player in the second half of the game.

Weak might be too harsh. I think the first 3 goals are saves you want your goaltender to make and highlight why Vladar is a back-up not a starter because too often those are saves he doesn't make.

I agree he was the best player for us after it was 4-1.

DeluxeMoustache · 11-11-2023, 11:49 AM

You want your goaltender to stop every shot. And they also want to stop every shot. But that doesn’t happen all that often

The Flames don’t hand the puck to the Leafs with time and space, or drop coverage, and you’ve got an outstanding goaltending performance. Nylander has 21 points in 14 games, you can’t hand him the puck with time and space.

Toronto didn’t earn their goals, Calgary basically handed the opportunities to the Leafs, unforced. Terrible defensive game and Vladar saved their bacon

Spurs · 11-11-2023, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

You want your goaltender to stop every shot. And they also want to stop every shot. But that doesn’t happen all that often

The Flames don’t hand the puck to the Leafs with time and space, or drop coverage, and you’ve got an outstanding goaltending performance. Nylander has 21 points in 14 games, you can’t hand him the puck with time and space.

Toronto didn’t earn their goals, Calgary basically handed the opportunities to the Leafs, unforced. Terrible defensive game and Vladar saved their bacon

LOL

Goalies can never be at fault I guess. If we can't expect a goalie to save a straight on shot what is the point of having one? Nylander has little time and space but is able to score because Vladar goes down way too early and is too slow to move with him. The Jarnkok shot? Come on.

The goals weren't down to him and it would be nice if the defense played flawlessly but it is fine to point out the mistakes that Vladar made as well on those plays. If he needs the defense to not give up chances on him then he clearly isn't good enough.

DeluxeMoustache · 11-11-2023, 12:14 PM

Lol. What’s the point of having a goalie? They cover most of the net and stop most shots

Goalies are a different shape than the net though. There is a reason that not every shot a goalie can see is stopped.

I don’t love the Jarnkrok one all that much, but he’s made to move cross crease and the shot goes against the grain. That’s not as easy to stop as all of you ‘should’ve had that one’ crowd think. It’s a ‘could’ve had’ not a ‘should’ve had’ and sometimes those go in

DeluxeMoustache · 11-11-2023, 12:18 PM

Btw I got a kick out of the Toronto announcer calling Yegor Sharangorov

Close enough. If for any reason you’re not completely satisfied, not his problem

dino7c · 11-11-2023, 12:18 PM

Vladar sucked the first half of the game
was good the second half of the game

being good all game would be nice, he wasn't alone though

Flames should have the advantage in goal against the Leafs but it was even

reality though the Flames also should have won 5-4 they got absolutely robbed of a goal

Spurs · 11-11-2023, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Lol. What’s the point of having a goalie? They cover most of the net and stop most shots

Goalies are a different shape than the net though. There is a reason that not every shot a goalie can see is stopped.

I don’t love the Jarnkrok one all that much, but he’s made to move cross crease and the shot goes against the grain. That’s not as easy to stop as all of you ‘should’ve had that one’ crowd think. It’s a ‘could’ve had’ not a ‘should’ve had’ and sometimes those go in

When Vladar is constantly letting in shots that other goalies save it is fair to criticize him. Quality goalies are not down 4-1 given those same chances against.

He did great after that 4th goal but there is no way to honestly say he played well to start the game. He was a big reason we were down 4-1.

DeluxeMoustache · 11-11-2023, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Vladar sucked the first half of the game
was good the second half of the game

being good all game would be nice, he wasn't alone though

Some other guy said that. He was wrong too
It makes me laugh

Goalies can actually let in goals, you kno

He really sucked when they popped the puck out front to Tavares who was uncovered and went bar down lol

dino7c · 11-11-2023, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Some other guy said that. He was wrong too
It makes me laugh

Goalies can actually let in goals, you know

multiple bad goals

you have a low bar...it makes me laugh

maybe .800s goaltending is impressive to you but I want better

Vladar has a worse save percentage than Jack Cambell this season
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DeluxeMoustache · 11-11-2023, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

multiple bad goals

you have a low bar...it makes me laugh

Glad, but it’s pretty silly. When Iggy or Monahan used to snipe, people were all starry eyes about the awesome shot

When a guy on the other team with 21 points in 14 games is given time and space and picks his spot, it’s on the goalie

It’s so dumb