[Game Takes] Stars 4 Flames 3

[Bingo]

Stars 4 Flames 3

- Flames push hard in the third but come up short
- Terrible second seals their fate
- Zary scores in his first NHL game

[Enoch Root]

Played with more pace. Actually completed some passes. Could easily gotten the W with a bit of puck luck, but a team with no confidence does not get any puck luck

[Erick Estrada]

I thought they played good enough to beat a lot of teams in the league but were up against a team in the Stars that is simply better top to bottom. Maybe a sign they are coming around.

[Goriders]

Think that’s about as good as they can play with the same result. Hard to win games with noone who can put pucks in the net. Hopefully they keep trial running their young players to see what they have and start a plan to cycle out older players who aren’t performing.

The country club has to be broken up.

[Kipper_3434]

Markstrom neither good nor bad but puts up poor numbers again.

[iamca]

I honestly think that the coaching staff needs to healthy scratch Huby at least for a game. Let him watch from the press box and figure out how to make some adjustments.

Does he have any pride?

He’s not even in the top 100 forwards in the league and that contract is the worst anchor for this franchise.

It’s atrocious…

[Goriders]

I was looking at Kadri and Huberdeau’s historical numbers yesterday. They both cashed in on blip years for scoring. Huberdeau is typically a point per game guy and Kadri a 50-60 point guy.

Huberdeau needs a line mate that can put the puck in the net. He has been setting people up the last few games. But the Flames don’t have any finishers. I think Kadri has been playing better as of late as well. But I think what we’re seeing is more along the lines of what he truly is than his last season in Colorado.

Think the Flames need to take a step back and figure out what mix of players do they need to be successful. I think they have proven the current group just does not work well together. That being said. They do have a number of good players. A few more losses and they are getting to the point that they are going to have to win 2 out of 3 just to get into the playoffs. That is probably not happening.

I’d use this season as an extended training camp. Cycling their young players through to see who is ready and deciding which veterans fit into the plan go forward. I’d start slowing moving out veterans who aren’t earning their paycheques. I’d be patient about it to get the best deals I could.

This season could be a great opportunity for the Flames to clean up the current mess.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Think that’s about as good as they can play with the same result. Hard to win games with noone who can put pucks in the net. Hopefully they keep trial running their young players to see what they have and start a plan to cycle out older players who aren’t performing.

The country club has to be broken up.

Zary (along with Mangiapane Duehr, Ruzicka and Pelltier) had to earn their way into the NHL. Dube, currently the worst Flames forward, didn't need/get much AHL time. Dube being relatively young does not make him a better hockey player or easier to watch.


Coronato is not playing like a guy that 50-100 games in the AHL would not help. He is running out of ELC time and is a candidate to be caught not NHL ready and having to clear waivers in 2 years like Valimaki. Pretty much everyone drafted before him in 2021 is either a legit NHL star or playing in the AHL.

He is not Monahan/Gaudreau/Tkachuk level of player that were NHL ready on day 1 of their first pro contract.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Zary (along with Mangiapane Duehr, Ruzicka and Pelltier) had to earn their way into the NHL. Dube, currently the worst Flames forward, didn't need/get much AHL time. Dube being relatively young does not make him a better hockey player or easier to watch.


Coronato is not playing like a guy that 50-100 games in the AHL would not help. He is running out of ELC time and is a candidate to be caught not NHL ready and having to clear waivers in 2 years like Valimaki. Pretty much everyone drafted before him in 2021 is either a legit NHL star or playing in the AHL.

He is not Monahan/Gaudreau/Tkachuk level of player that were NHL ready on day 1 of their first pro contract.

The only guys that are stars are the ones drafted at the top: Powers, Beniers, McTavish, Hughes. How is Coronato different than pretty much every guy drafted between 5 and 12. They are all guys figuring out how to be a pro player.

I swear to god I can't even follow what point it is you are trying to make.

Suggesting he is a waiver loss candidate, 11 games into his career, is non sensical.

[Strange Brew]

I guess the question is whether Coronato would benefit from some AHL time. I don't hate the idea, Zary and Pelletier were in the A at his age.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I guess the question is whether Coronato would benefit from some AHL time. I don't hate the idea, Zary and Pelletier were in the A at his age.

That one’s a tricky one. Not sure what he would gain from going down other than maybe confidence? I don’t think he’s struggling. He’s looked like he belongs. He’s been generating offense. I’d honestly keep him up.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I thought they played good enough to beat a lot of teams in the league but were up against a team in the Stars that is simply better top to bottom. Maybe a sign they are coming around.

One of those "you play better at the end of a losing streak" sayings that Maher used to cite.

Skate save by a Star defenceman/ Zary just missing his own rebound, Oettinger sitting on a puck off a post when he had no clue where it was. Game changers.

Of course on the other hand, Markstrom made at least two saves that would have made it a blowout.

Those end of period goals were killers.

[Enoch Root]

Coronato looks fine to me - he's keeping up with the play, handling the physicality, and generating some scoring chances. He'll continue to learn and get better.

I think some fans have unrealistic expectations - a lot of young guys start out like that: gangbusters for the first couple games, then struggle to be consistently good for a while. Pelletier was the same (as are most rookies)

Zary will almost certainly follow a similar path. And no doubt some fans will get frustrated and impatient with him too.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Coronato looks fine to me - he's keeping up with the play, handling the physicality, and generating some scoring chances. He'll continue to learn and get better.

I think some fans have unrealistic expectations - a lot of young guys start out like that: gangbusters for the first couple games, then struggle to be consistently good for a while. Pelletier was the same (as are most rookies)

Zary will almost certainly follow a similar path. And no doubt some fans will get frustrated and impatient with him too.

He also has to learn to play 82 games and not a college season which is a bit of an adjustment.

Johnny had a rough go of it when he came here as well got scratched and took off after that.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

One of those "you play better at the end of a losing streak" sayings that Maher used to cite.

Skate save by a Star defenceman/ Zary just missing his own rebound, Oettinger sitting on a puck off a post when he had no clue where it was. Game changers.

Of course on the other hand, Markstrom made at least two saves that would have made it a blowout.

Those end of period goals were killers.

Run that same game 10 times and the Flames win at least half of them.

They definitely played well enough to win, and were the better team for the majority of the game (other than the last half of the 2nd). The Stars won because - playing with confidence - they capitalized on their chances, whereas the Flames - playing with zero confidence - just came up one bounce short.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Goriders

That one’s a tricky one. Not sure what he would gain from going down other than maybe confidence? I don’t think he’s struggling. He’s looked like he belongs. He’s been generating offense. I’d honestly keep him up.

It's all about his confidence IMO. And it's tricky whether that is better served being demoted or staying here.

Most players that aren't superstars spend some time in the A. It's not about beingdisappointed with him, it's about what is best for him.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He also has to learn to play 82 games and not a college season which is a bit of an adjustment.

Johnny had a rough go of it when he came here as well got scratched and took off after that.

I think it was after game 6 of his rookie season, that dickhead (can't remember his name, but my least favourite commentator of all time - Oh, Healey! what a dick he was!) said he shouldn't be in the NHL. Johnny scored the next game, and never looked back.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The only guys that are stars are the ones drafted at the top: Powers, Beniers, McTavish, Hughes. How is Coronato different than pretty much every guy drafted between 5 and 12. They are all guys figuring out how to be a pro player.

I swear to god I can't even follow what point it is you are trying to make.

Suggesting he is a waiver loss candidate, 11 games into his career, is non sensical.

And comparing a player taken 13th overall to a walk on, a 4th round pick and a 6th round pick is pretty rich too.

Pelletier and Zary were first round picks but taken further down the list. Neither put up 7 points and a hat trick in their first training camp.

[Enoch Root]

IMO, sending a player down to the A is only useful if they can't handle the NHL. And Coronato looks like he is handling it fine, to me. I don't see a player who is outmatched, or lost, or has lost their confidence.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He needs better linemates. Putting him on the 4th line and having Hunt with Backlund and Coleman is a poor coaching move.

For a team that is struggling to score we need to put guys in a position to succeed.