32 Thoughts Podcast update on Calgary

[sureLoss]

Hanifin will be moved at some point

Lindholm and Flames talking
Flames know if they want to keep Lindholm it will be Horvat money (around 8 x $8.5)
Conversations about direction of team
Lindholm has indicated that if he commits that he doesn't want a full rebuild

Flames are waiting on Lindholm before deciding on Toffoli, Zadorov, Tanev, etc.

If Lindholm and Hanifin are out, there are going to be different discussions. (maybe not full rebuild, but lots of questions to answer)
Lindholm is the linchpin in the Flames plans
Flames are not putting pressure on Lindholm to make decision by draft.

Hanifin has made a decision to see what is out there.

Don't expect Markstrom to be moved.
Has heard that he wants to come back.

Goalie market is very volatile (with respect to the Flames moving Vladar)

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Flames are not putting pressure on Lindholm to make decision by draft.

This seems shortsighted. I expect they will eventually agree to a deal, as much as I want them to trade him... but if they do end up trading him, I like the odds of us getting a better deal at/before the draft.

[Spurs]

8 x 8.5 is fair for what Lindholm should be looking for but if that is the ask, and I realized that might be the low end of what is being asked, I think that should be a clear answer to the Flames that they need to move on.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

This seems shortsighted. I expect they will eventually agree to a deal, as much as I want them to trade him... but if they do end up trading him, I like the odds of us getting a better deal at/before the draft.

This would be a big red flag that nothing has changed in management approach.

[Scroopy Noopers]

A hockey team wants to keep a top line right handed shot centre? Shocking. Come on guys.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

This seems shortsighted. I expect they will eventually agree to a deal, as much as I want them to trade him... but if they do end up trading him, I like the odds of us getting a better deal at/before the draft.

To me this reads like he is staying.

There has been smoke from people on twitter and this forum (SEC214 and Dissentowner) that this is pretty close to being done.

If you're negotiating and are close on term / money you're not going to go "YOU HAVE TO SIGN BY THE DRAFT" because it wouldn't be realistic (he can't officially sign until July 1 anyways) and would probably just mean you're ending up increasing your offer to get the deal signed.

To me this reads it's getting done.

Originally Posted by Spurs

8 x 8.5 is fair for what Lindholm should be looking for but if that is the ask, and I realized that might be the low end of what is being asked, I think that should be a clear answer to the Flames that they need to move on.

200 FT centers and top end d-men tend to be the positions that you see players age better.

We all thought Backlund's deal would look bad by the end...but he's remained great until 35. Kopitar signed for 8 x $10 back in 16/17 and has remained effective for most of that contract. Bergeron has been great for all 8 seasons.

It's not ideal to sign Lindholm to an 8 year deal that will start when he's 29 years old...but he also plays the type of 200 foot game as a center that tends to age well into the mid-30s.

And really $8.5M is going to fine in a league where the true stars are going to be getting $12M plus...as long as it's not above $9m it should be fine.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This would be a big red flag that nothing has changed in management approach.

When they announced Conroy as GM it was made clear that they believe in this group and feel like they should be a playoff team. From the conversations he had around the league it was mentioned that others felt the team underachieved.

Most would agree that it's time to move on and start the rebuild but management seems committed to this group unless players forced their hand (i.e. wanting trades and out of Calgary).

[Jason14h]

Lindholm is the least of my concerns on a long contract as he’s just a smart solid player

It’s the rest of the roster that is the issue

[Flames_F.T.W]

They should absolutely pressure Lindholm for an answer before the draft. If this draft is as deep as everyone keeps saying, selling mjg a bunch of 2024 UFAs could be huge for this franchise if we bring in a bunch of 2023 draft picks

[Moneyhands23]

I was really hoping lindholm would not sign and be moved at the draft. I figured that if lindy and hanifin were traded guys like Backlund would also want out. I was and still am hoping the team is forced in to a rebuild.

[mile]

Lindholm probably stays. He's my favourite player, so it would be cool if he stayed a Flame for the rest of his career.

Hopefully this means Backlund, Toffoli, and Hanifin are moved - and that we get a top six winger and a 1st rounder or two if we trade all three of them

I would be fine with this.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Lindholm has indicated that if he commits that he doesn't want a full rebuild

Another factor in why teams are so reluctant to rebuild. If the Flames extend Lindholm and then turn around and trade Hanifin, Backlund, and Toffoli, I don’t image he’ll be a very happy camper.

[CalgaryFan1988]

So, the future of the Flames is in Lindholm's hands? No pressure

I didn't realize he tipped the scale that much.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I was and still am hoping the team is forced in to a rebuild.

I was and still am hoping to win Lottomax. I think for his upcoming year I probably have a better chance than you do.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

When they announced Conroy as GM it was made clear that they believe in this group and feel like they should be a playoff team. From the conversations he had around the league it was mentioned that others felt the team underachieved.

Most would agree that it's time to move on and start the rebuild but management seems committed to this group unless players forced their hand (i.e. wanting trades and out of Calgary).

I don't have a problem with keeping Lindholm (good player), my point is moreso on the Flames needing to set internal deadlines and protect the team.

They need to get this extension agreed to prior to the draft, or trade him at the draft. So we won't really know until July 1st (when the deal can be signed), but if the extension doesn't get announced July 1st I think they've made a mistake.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This would be a big red flag that nothing has changed in management approach.

No it isn't.

It's a very reasonable approach, and it seems clear that if he doesn't sign, they are ready to pivot.

You want nothing but a full rebuild, and that is all you see. But I see a pretty big change in their stance here.

[Winsor_Pilates]

I like Lindholm but another contract taking a player to 37 just feels wrong. This team will have too much money tied up in players over 30.

[Muta]

I must be the only one that wants Hanifin to stay. I thought he indicated as such during garbage bag day, too.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No it isn't.

It's a very reasonable approach, and it seems clear that if he doesn't sign, they are ready to pivot.

You want nothing but a full rebuild, and that is all you see. But I see a pretty big change in their stance here.

This isn't true, and also has nothing to do with my post:

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don't have a problem with keeping Lindholm (good player), my point is moreso on the Flames needing to set internal deadlines and protect the team.

They need to get this extension agreed to prior to the draft, or trade him at the draft. So we won't really know until July 1st (when the deal can be signed), but if the extension doesn't get announced July 1st I think they've made a mistake.

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

They should absolutely pressure Lindholm for an answer before the draft. If this draft is as deep as everyone keeps saying, selling mjg a bunch of 2024 UFAs could be huge for this franchise if we bring in a bunch of 2023 draft picks

While I do think it imperative to get this done before the start of the season, ideally prior to the draft, if the team needs to pressure the player, they may as well just move on. Nothing good comes from pressuring anyone to do anything.

I think this is more about the team having a deadline, a solid metric to gauge the risk of going into the season with him on the roster unsigned, and the guts to follow thru even if Lindholm is still only leaning towards signing.

Apart from a little piece of mind, the player really has nothing to gain from signing before the draft.