23/24 Flames

[Teroy]

TRADE
Backlund Lindholm Kadri Markstrom

No particular position
FORWARDS
Pelletier Huberdeau Coronato
Dube Mandiapane Toffoli
Rusicka Zary Duehr

Possibles

?????? Coleman ??????
Lewis???

DEFENCE
Gilbert Andersson
Zadorov Weegar
Hanifin Stecher
Stone DeSimone

GOALTENDERS
Vladar Wolf

GM
Conroy

Coach
Love

[The Cobra]

I doubt that Kadri and Markstrom are currently tradeable, even ignoring whatever NTC protection that have.

let's see how they perform with a Sutterless room and see what they do this year anyway.

[GranteedEV]

I want to rebuild, but I don't see the Flames doing it. So if sticking with is the plan:

Hire:
Mitch Love

Let Go:
Lewis
Lucic
Ritchie

Retain:
Phillips
Ruzicka
Stecher

Try to work out a Trade roughly resembling:
Andersson + Hanifin for Erik Brannstrom + Drake Batherson, might need a three way deal where Hanifin goes elsewhere as Ottawa has Chychrun and Chabot at LD
Jacob Markstrom for literally anything we can get

Next season:

Kylington - Tanev
Brannstrom - Weegar
Zadorov - Stecher

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Coronato
Mangiapane - Backlund - Batherson
Pellettier - Kadri - Toffoli
Coleman - Ruzicka - Phillips

Wolf
Vladar

[8sPOT]

It's nice to play pretend GM, you can build a contender real quick.

But both Kadri and Markstrom have NMC's in their real actual contracts. I suppose they could waive but also, what would you get for 2 guys who big time under performed? Would you really want to sell low on them both?

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I want to rebuild, but I don't see the Flames doing it. So if sticking with is the plan:

Hire:
Mitch Love

Let Go:
Lewis
Lucic
Ritchie

Retain:
Phillips
Ruzicka
Stecher

Try to work out a Trade roughly resembling:
Andersson + Hanifin for Erik Brannstrom + Drake Batherson, might need a three way deal where Hanifin goes elsewhere as Ottawa has Chychrun and Chabot at LD
Jacob Markstrom for literally anything we can get

Next season:

Kylington - Tanev
Brannstrom - Weegar
Zadorov - Stecher

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Coronato
Mangiapane - Backlund - Batherson
Pellettier - Kadri - Toffoli
Coleman - Ruzicka - Phillips

Wolf
Vladar

Why in the world would we trade Rasmus

[Kickazzflames]

Once a GM is in place, we need to find out what the intentions are for Toffoli, Lindholm and Backlund. If any want out, this summer is the time to trade. We can't go another year where we are playing on the bubble, don't make any Trade deadline moves and lose all three for nothing, especially Lindholm.

This goes for the same on defense with Hanifin, Tanev and Zadorov.

This is the Summer to re-tool if we are going to do it.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Why in the world would we trade Rasmus

IMO Rasmus is a solid #2D and if he had a partner with all the tools, a guy like Werenski, it would be vital to hang on to him. Opposite a guy like Chychrun he'd do very well.

However, the reality is:

- Andersson doesn't fit opposite Zadorov.

- Forcing Weegar or Tanev to play their off-side just to accomodate Andersson isn't really a great plan going forward

- Weegar is under contract for virtually the next decade

- Tanev is irreplaceable. Even if he ages out, you're looking for another Tanev, and Andersson is not that.

- Andersson may fit opposite Hanifin, but Hanifin becomes a liability the higher the stakes get.

- Kylington - Andersson may be a decent pair, but didn't have a great track record back when they were actually a pair

- Andersson has a ton of positive trade value, probably even more than the return I suggested above, but I'm no GM. It's nice to trade from a position of strength instead of always being the team losing trades because you forced players to request them or drove their careers into the ground by playing them through injuries.

[mile]

All I know is

Hire Love
Re-sign Phillips. I'd like to see him in camp under a coach who will give him a fair shake.

Base:
Huberdeau - Lindholm - Coronato
Dube - Kadri - Toffoli
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Pelletier - Ruzicka - Duehr
Phillips, Zary

Weegar - Andersson
Kylington - Tanev
Hanifin/Zadorov - Stecher
Gilbert

Markstrom/Vladar
Wolf

- Trade one of Markstrom or Vladar. I actually prefer moving Markstrom if possible (especially if his buddy Lindholm doesn't re-sign and is traded), I still think there is upside with Vladar - and he loves being a Flame.

- Explore moving Hanifin or one of our forwards to try and change the mix in the forward group or any of our other pending UFAs if they don't re-sign this summer.

- I like Lewis but he's probably gone with Darryl out. I'd only bring him back if he accepts a limited role as the 13th forward and mentor.

[lazypucker]

There are a lot of pending UFAs for next season. The team needs to decide who they want to keep long term and ask them to sign an extension this summer. If they are saying those "I won't decide until my contract ends" BS, trade them right away.

The likes of Backlund and Tanev who are on the wrong side of 30 should just be shipped out right now.

[bluejays]

Hoping Markstrom recovers is a dream. Most goaltenders have their turning point and he’s experienced his. Getting out from under that contract without giving up picks would be a huge win.

[Skaloper]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

IMO Rasmus is a solid #2D and if he had a partner with all the tools, a guy like Werenski, it would be vital to hang on to him. Opposite a guy like Chychrun he'd do very well.

However, the reality is:

- Andersson doesn't fit opposite Zadorov.

- Forcing Weegar or Tanev to play their off-side just to accomodate Andersson isn't really a great plan going forward

- Weegar is under contract for virtually the next decade

- Tanev is irreplaceable. Even if he ages out, you're looking for another Tanev, and Andersson is not that.

- Andersson may fit opposite Hanifin, but Hanifin becomes a liability the higher the stakes get.

- Kylington - Andersson may be a decent pair, but didn't have a great track record back when they were actually a pair

- Andersson has a ton of positive trade value, probably even more than the return I suggested above, but I'm no GM. It's nice to trade from a position of strength instead of always being the team losing trades because you forced players to request them or drove their careers into the ground by playing them through injuries.

Simple trade Zadorov and find someone to play with Andersson. No way the Flames move on from Andersson as he is the core on our backend. Lets just hope he stays off scooters for a few years.

[JBR]

Originally Posted by Teroy

TRADE
Backlund Lindholm Kadri Markstrom

No particular position
FORWARDS
Pelletier Huberdeau Coronato
Dube Mandiapane Toffoli
Rusicka Zary Duehr

Possibles

?????? Coleman ??????
Lewis???

DEFENCE
Gilbert Andersson
Zadorov Weegar
Hanifin Stecher
Stone DeSimone

GOALTENDERS
Vladar Wolf

GM
Conroy

Coach
Love

Yikes. Who is the consensus 2024 #1 pick?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Skaloper

Simple trade Zadorov and find someone to play with Andersson. No way the Flames move on from Andersson as he is the core on our backend. Lets just hope he stays off scooters for a few years.

Zadorov is really inconsequential to it, he's a third pair D who's been awesome in that role.

Realistically, the guy you move out has to be Weegar to find a guy to play with Andersson. That trade is not likely to be out there. So you either continue to roll with Hanifin-Andersson ad nausuem, or you try to force Weegar-Andersson. The Panthers tried for force Weegar-Ekblad the same way, and I don't think it was the right choice then either.

[GioforPM]

Mark Hunter GM
Mitch Love HC, with all new coaching staff

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Coronato
Mangiapane-Kadri-Toffoli
Dube-Backlund-Zary
Pelletier-Ruzicka-Phillips
Lewis

Andersson-Weegar
Hanifin-Kylington
Zadorov-Stecher
Gilbert

Markstrom-Wolf

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Mark Hunter GM
Mitch Love HC, with all new coaching staff

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Coronato
Mangiapane-Kadri-Toffoli
Dube-Backlund-Zary
Pelletier-Ruzicka-Phillips
Lewis

Andersson-Weegar
Hanifin-Kylington
Zadorov-Stecher
Gilbert

Markstrom-Wolf

That’s realistic

[DallasFlamesFan]

Couldn't imagine trading Andersson.

Let go:
Lucic
Lewis
Richie

Retain:
Stecher
Philips

Trade Pieces (Not saying trade all of these guys, and only trade if the deal is worthwhile)
- Toffoli - sell high. With his contract he will bring back a decent return
- Hanifin - He will have priced himself off the roster next year. Trade him this year where the value of his contract will help with the return.
- Tanev - I don't want to trade him, but you have to explore it right now I think. He's getting older, has a lot of miles, and will still bring in a decent return.
- He shows glimpses, but I see him as a potential sweetener to land a bigger fish.
- Mangipane: Like the player, but not the contract.
- Zadorov: same thing. Like the play, but the contract is a bit high
- Vladar: You aren't trading Markstrom. I think he bounces back anyway. Wolf needs to come up, so Vladar is the odd man out.

Would be amazing to target someone like Konecny. Maybe Philly would see some interest in a Hanifin + Dube + Prospect / Pick for Konecny + Provorov.. One can dream.

Huberdeau-Lindholm-?
Mangiapane -Kadri- Phillips
Pelletier-Backlund- Coleman
Ruzicka -Dube -Duehr
?

Andersson-Weegar
? -Tanev
Zadorov-Stecher
Gilbert

Markstrom-Wolf

I also can't help but wonder if The Avs might now be interested in Kadri at $5M. If the Flames pay $2M, maybe someone like Newhook could be a target. I'm not as down on Kadri as some though... But his contract is likely to age poorly.

Mitch Love as coach & Conroy as GM.

[prizefighterinferno]

Promote Conroy to GM - positive personality, good relationships inside/outside of the org, seemingly a more progressive thinker re:roster construction and player evaluation.

Try to get some value for players that are unlikely to provide better future performance (especially relative to pay) than current production/perceived value. Specifically, Toffoli, Zadorov. Explore Hanifin trade in hockey deal, ideally for someone with history of above-expected finishing ability (i.e. Debrincat) or cost-effective relative to production (i.e. Konecny, who also has ties to the area). I like Coleman but if you can free up his 5 million you should explore that as well.

Target teams at draft that could be looking to retool (based on cycle or organizational philosophy). Since teams will be hesitant to give up early picks in this draft even for good players, focus on teams with multiple and/or later 1st rd picks to try to acquire a second first rounder.

Try to draft two of Barlow/Leonard/Wood/Cristall/Perrault/Heidt/Sandin-Pellika/Molendyk (depending on where they end up picking and who could be available between mid-teens and late 20s - would love to grab Wood and ASP but both seem to be risers. Would personally love the org to take a chance on Cristall).

Hire coach (Brunette? Love?) who can maximize a Kings-esque line-up with plenty of young, quick, hungry players that excel at transition offence but without any really elite offensive pieces other than perhaps a rejuvenated Huberdeau…now, with that said, Huberdeau hasn’t tended to be a true 5 on 5 driver. So fire Muller into the sun and get someone who knows how to run a modern powerplay (perhaps a behind the net-focussed 2-1-2?) that emphasizes seam creation through movement, one-timers and royal road passes. Get Huberdeau feasting in 5 on 4 situations again for goodness sake.

Decide if you’re going to be able to/want to retain Lindholm/Hanifin.

Give Backlund the C already.

Possible lineup with Lindy, Stecher re-signed but Hanifin, Toffoli, Vladar traded (separate deals) for Konecny and prospects/futures:

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Coronato
Pelletier-Kadri-Konecny
Mangiapane-Backlund-Coleman
Ruzicka-Dube-Deuhr

Weegar-Andersson
Kylington-Tanev
Zadorov-Stecher

Wolf
Markstrom

Clear that the money doesn’t work to re-sign Lindholm AND make high-value additions through trade without further moves that subtract at least 2 of Kadri/Mang/Backlund/Coleman/Zadorov/Markstrom. D will also have some people squinting minus Hanifin but not sure paying that particular player 7-8 million a year is the best call (although you could certainly find worse investments…last year's version of Kadri, cough).

Tough spot for the new guy, but will be forced to rely on youth and internal development over the next while which I am personally somewhat excited for now that Darryl is gone. Will have to get creative if you want to add for a year or two until the cap goes up.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Mark Hunter GM
Mitch Love HC, with all new coaching staff

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Coronato
Mangiapane-Kadri-Toffoli
Dube-Backlund-Zary
Pelletier-Ruzicka-Phillips
Lewis

Andersson-Weegar
Hanifin-Kylington
Zadorov-Stecher
Gilbert

Markstrom-Wolf

Firstly, I believe that's likely over the cap.

Secondly, what are you doing withe 6 UFA's to be in the lineup? It would seem to me that you must deal with that issue prior to setting any lineup.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Firstly, I believe that's likely over the cap.

Secondly, what are you doing withe 6 UFA's to be in the lineup? It would seem to me that you must deal with that issue prior to setting any lineup.

I play them and see who I want to keep or trade. There are three points for a trade: draft, after camp, at the TDL.

Not over the cap. It's minus Vladar, Tanev and Coleman.

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by JBR

Yikes. Who is the consensus 2024 #1 pick?

Selfishly, I am fine with some pain for the ‘24 1st OA.