02-19-2023, 11:45 AM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Sens trade Motte to Rangers for Julien Gauthier and conditional 7th
Last edited by sureLoss; 02-19-2023 at 11:49 AM.
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02-19-2023, 11:47 AM
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Franchise Player
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Rangers doing their Xmas shopping early this year.
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02-19-2023, 11:53 AM
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First Line Centre
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Solid return for Ottawa.
Gauthier is a comparable player but Motte is better defensively.
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02-19-2023, 12:05 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Why are the Rangers being so stingy on a late pick lol
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02-19-2023, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
Why are the Rangers being so stingy on a late pick lol
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Deepest draft in almost 2 decades, having as much draft capital is huge this year.
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02-19-2023, 12:09 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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I love how the Sens are being built- big, fast, and heavy.
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02-19-2023, 12:32 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
I love how the Sens are being built- big, fast, and heavy.
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They just need a better head coach. Smith IMO isn't getting enough results out of that roster.
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02-19-2023, 01:07 PM
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IMO the Sens re-build will fail for the same reason so many before have: not enough truly elite talent. A lot of really good pieces, but a lack of really elite talent.
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02-19-2023, 01:37 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
They just need a better head coach. Smith IMO isn't getting enough results out of that roster.
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Really, they should grab Bruce this off-season.
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02-19-2023, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
IMO the Sens re-build will fail for the same reason so many before have: not enough truly elite talent. A lot of really good pieces, but a lack of really elite talent.
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Stutzle is on pace for over 93 points and is 21 years old, and is signed for 8 years at what is now a bargain contract.
If that is not how you spell elite, you need a new dictionary.
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02-19-2023, 02:20 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
IMO the Sens re-build will fail for the same reason so many before have: not enough truly elite talent. A lot of really good pieces, but a lack of really elite talent.
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I agree, bit of a lack of game-breaking talent. They could use an upgrade on their backend too- little sparse after Chabot and Sanderson.
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02-19-2023, 02:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
IMO the Sens re-build will fail for the same reason so many before have: not enough truly elite talent. A lot of really good pieces, but a lack of really elite talent.
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Stutzle is elite, he just needs to add about 10 pounds. Suspect he will be a 100 point guy in the next couple years. Brady is pretty good too.
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02-19-2023, 02:28 PM
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Scoring Winger
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Sens also missing their 2017 1st rounder Josh Norris, who scored 35 goals in 66 games last season but has been injured almost all of this season.
I still think the Sens are set up nicely.
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02-19-2023, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
Stutzle is on pace for over 93 points and is 21 years old, and is signed for 8 years at what is now a bargain contract.
If that is not how you spell elite, you need a new dictionary.
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30th in league scoring
A front line player to be sure but not elite
And if he’s their best player does that smell like a championship team?
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02-19-2023, 02:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
IMO the Sens re-build will fail for the same reason so many before have: not enough truly elite talent. A lot of really good pieces, but a lack of really elite talent.
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What do you mean by fail? If it’s not winning a cup thats a pretty high standard. If they go on a run of playoffs for 5-6 years I’d say thats a win.
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02-19-2023, 03:22 PM
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
30th in league scoring
A front line player to be sure but not elite
And if he’s their best player does that smell like a championship team?
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Still only 21, give the kid a break.
Will all the pieces line up having good years together?
Still need a good team, but you need your bottom players to be better (too players will always do their thing)
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02-19-2023, 04:19 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
30th in league scoring
A front line player to be sure but not elite
And if he’s their best player does that smell like a championship team?
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Try 25th in league scoring and he's TWENTY ONE. He's pacing to be elite. He's top 5 in scoring for the current calendar year.
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02-19-2023, 04:24 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mindtravellee
Still only 21, give the kid a break.
Will all the pieces line up having good years together?
Still need a good team, but you need your bottom players to be better (too players will always do their thing)
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My concern is the other players outside of Stuztle.
Are Norris or Batherson or Tkachuk truly elite guys? I think they're a player short.
Compare them to a team like New Jersey that have two elite guys in Bratt and Hughes, a very high end 2C in Hischier, and some nice complementary young guys like McLeod, Sharangovich and Mercer. And they're even better because they still have guys like Nemec and Luke Hughes in the pipeline.
For a team exiting a rebuild, the prospect pool in Ottawa is not good. I don't see any high end pieces that can come in and supplement the current roster.
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02-19-2023, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff
My concern is the other players outside of Stuztle.
Are Norris or Batherson or Tkachuk truly elite guys? I think they're a player short.
Compare them to a team like New Jersey that have two elite guys in Bratt and Hughes, a very high end 2C in Hischier, and some nice complementary young guys like McLeod, Sharangovich and Mercer. And they're even better because they still have guys like Nemec and Luke Hughes in the pipeline.
For a team exiting a rebuild, the prospect pool in Ottawa is not good. I don't see any high end pieces that can come in and supplement the current roster.
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Would you swap the Sens forward group for the Flames forward group?
I would
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02-19-2023, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Badgers Nose
What do you mean by fail? If it’s not winning a cup thats a pretty high standard. If they go on a run of playoffs for 5-6 years I’d say thats a win.
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Good question as most re-builds will fail if the evaluation is winning a cup. So that's a fair point.
I think you have to become a contender for an extended period of time, with at least a couple runs to the conference final, and at least one appearance in a final.
But yeah its hard to pinpoint exactly where to draw the line.
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