[Rumour] Flames in on Patrick Kane?

[Gemnoble]

https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...spot-for-kane/

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/....php?pid=96554

But if a surprise but he is what Tre wants. I don't see us being able to afford him or Tre pursuing him unless he's open to signing in Calgary.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Gemnoble

https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...spot-for-kane/

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/....php?pid=96554

But if a surprise but he is what Tre wants. I don't see us being able to afford him or Tre pursuing him unless he's open to signing in Calgary.

I honestly can't see Patrick Kane being more than a rental if acquired by the Flames with salary retained.

[jar_e]

That’s not even a rumour, that’s Button spitballing on possibilities. Wouldn’t put much faith in it. I would also be shocked if Kane waives his NMC to go anywhere. Doesn’t he have 3 cups already? His desire to chase another one may not be as high as others in his situation.

[topfiverecords]

Rumour is, this isn’t a rumour.

[Northendzone]

i get that you plan ahead, but it is only october - hard to think a lot about trade deadline moves already.

i'd suspect that several teams will be interested in big daddy kane come trade deadline day and chicago should get several offers

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Watch the cringeworthy Quiz on TSN. Do the Sens lock up Zub? Can a coach be fired yet? Who looks better in Luke Wilson's man bun?

[Winsor_Pilates]

He'll go to Colorado IMO

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

He'll go to Colorado IMO

If there's cap space after addressing 2C. Not repeating unless they fix their middle 6 C situation, Patrick Kane or not

[Buff]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

If there's cap space after addressing 2C. Not repeating unless they fix their middle 6 C situation, Patrick Kane or not

Not being able to keep Kadri was a huge blow to their depth.

With Landeskog out for a month or two their forward depth really looks weak. In spite of having two of the best in MacKinnon and Makar I don't think they have a chance of repeating as champs.

In terms of Kane. I don't know if he would accept a deal there. He wouldn't be the sole top RW and they only have one good top 6 Center. Sure, he can make a difference on that team but I think there are likely better options for him. He has the NMC and he'll use it to his advantage.

[flamesfan55]

on the barn burner podcast they had Frank Seravalli on and he said its pretty much a dud rumor. Thinks Tre will call about him because he's in on everything but really doesn't know how this rumor even started.

[Vinny01]

Flames are a contender and their biggest need is a winger preferably on the right side so some hockey people draw conclusions there could be a fit there. In my opinion he is not a good target because of the cost and the likelihood he is gone in the summer.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Flames are a contender and their biggest need is a winger preferably on the right side so some hockey people draw conclusions there could be a fit there. In my opinion he is not a good target because of the cost and the likelihood he is gone in the summer.

Well it’s not like we can really acquire anyone with term anyways, we don’t have the cap space next season. At this point Lucic off the books covers Hubey and Weegars raises.

[JohnnyB]

Kane would be a great fit for an all-in run at the cup. I don't really like him though, despite his talent and clutch play being pretty undeniable.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Flames are a contender and their biggest need is a winger preferably on the right side so some hockey people draw conclusions there could be a fit there. In my opinion he is not a good target because of the cost and the likelihood he is gone in the summer.

The point of Kane coming to Calgary is because they need a winger to make a strong push for the Cup. Getting him close to the deadline as a rental works to push the team closer to their goal for this year. Then he's off the cap next year and they can make changes to address next year's roster in the off season.

It isn't like Kane is coming here to sign here, it would only be to chase the Cup this year.

A Kane trade isn't imminent either. It will happen closer to the deadline no matter where he goes.... if he even gets traded.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Well it’s not like we can really acquire anyone with term anyways, we don’t have the cap space next season. At this point Lucic off the books covers Hubey and Weegars raises.

If the cap rises the $4.5M that is speculated the Flames will have roughly $5.3M in space with a 17 man roster. Assume a couple of minimum salary guys fill some spots they could have a little money to work with.

I feel like the team already has a very weak pool and should not be sending out any of Pelletier, Zary, Coronato and future 1sts for short term players.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Buff

The point of Kane coming to Calgary is because they need a winger to make a strong push for the Cup. Getting him close to the deadline as a rental works to push the team closer to their goal for this year. Then he's off the cap next year and they can make changes to address next year's roster in the off season.

It isn't like Kane is coming here to sign here, it would only be to chase the Cup this year.

A Kane trade isn't imminent either. It will happen closer to the deadline no matter where he goes.... if he even gets traded.

I don’t believe in those types of moves when the team is already future asset poor. They trade a 1st + decent prospect for Toffoli but get him for 3 playoff runs. We look at the biggest fish in the rental market and definitely more times than not the team that made that move falls short of the cup. What Florida gave up for Giroux in Tippett+1st is not that different than the flames giving up Pelletier/Coronato+1st for Kane. I don’t think the Flames can afford that

[Enoch Root]

I doubt they'll still be in the playoff hunt at the deadline, but if they are, the Sabres might be the perfect spot for Kane. He is from there, and thus presumably might be open to signing long term (if they are showing promise), and they have more than enough cap space to take his whole contract without breaking a sweat. They also have lots of young assets that might interest Chicago.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t believe in those types of moves when the team is already future asset poor. They trade a 1st + decent prospect for Toffoli but get him for 3 playoff runs. We look at the biggest fish in the rental market and definitely more times than not the team that made that move falls short of the cup. What Florida gave up for Giroux in Tippett+1st is not that different than the flames giving up Pelletier/Coronato+1st for Kane. I don’t think the Flames can afford that

I agree with you on what the Flames can afford to give up... not much. We'll just have to see what the price to acquire Kane really is. It is likely high but with boat loads of luck Tre will drive the price down (I know, that's not likely).

At the moment I'm only looking at potential Kane destinations as to where he would fit in the lineup and if he would interested in joining that team. A Kane trade is a long way off, I'm just enjoying speculating where he fits, once its time we can be realistic as to who can afford the asking price, and what the asking price will wind up being.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

i get that you plan ahead, but it is only october - hard to think a lot about trade deadline moves already.

i'd suspect that several teams will be interested in big daddy kane come trade deadline day and chicago should get several offers

Not the greatest time to be a seller with a high-priced player though. Currently 13 teams are utilizing LTIR. They aren't accruing cap-space, and teams where that is expected to be the case all-season (like Vegas) will be nearly impossible to make a trade for a player like Kane.

Vegas would need to move over 10M worth of cap-hit to play Kane, not really going to get that done without moving Pietrangelo, Eichel or Stone, which is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

If Buffalo, Ottawa, Winnipeg are in the playoff hunt and looking like contenders they have the space to add him without needing to remove salary. But if they fall out of contention, there's relatively few teams that can afford him at his full cap-hit by only removing a middle player or two at the deadline (Calgary could move someone in that 4-5M range and find the cap space come trade deadline so Toffoli, Hanifin, Anderson, level contract, same with Nashville, Minnesota could include someone in that 3M range, New York Rangers could move someone like Trochek for him)

But then other potential contenders need to move multiple impact players to make room. Dallas would need to move someone like Marchment and Lindell for example to get the 10.5M cap space, under the pretty fair assumption that the Hawks aren't looking at Benn or Seguin. Keeping half his salary helps but it still doesn't really open a lot of these LTIR cheating teams.

Big blockbuster many player involved trades, new LTIR utilizations (i.e. someone else goes down for the rest of the regular season) or "cap-space" trades could obviously result in Kane going anywhere but in terms of teams that can quickly do that standard player(s)/prospects/picks for rental trade, there's only a handful right now and still not a huge list by the deadline.

I think that's why Calgary is being named. Not because there's any fire (heyoo!) but because they are one of the few teams expected to be playoff contenders with actual cap-space. Plus they are a Canadian team that will draw clicks.

[saillias]

No it's not a rumor. It was an idea floated by Craig Button, someone not an insider, in a purely looking at rosters on paper and generating discussion way.

That 20 second hit on TSN was enough to generate 2 articles and several segments of radio on fan 960, so I guess Craig did Flames based media a favor, but it's not a rumor because Craig made it up.

Frank Seravalli was confused when the fan 960 asked him about it. His response was basically I don't know what you guys are talking about, this isn't a thing, Kane does not want to be traded yet, and if he did, Calgary is not even a team expected to be high on his list of destinations. sorry!