07-26-2022, 02:53 PM
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Fearmongerer
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Dom Luszczyszyn lists 10 "worst" NHL contracts.
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It’s based on a projected outcome of the future based on a player’s age and what he’s done in recent seasons. But these are humans and math can change with some extra determination and willpower.
With that being said, here are the current 10 worst contracts in hockey.
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https://theathletic.com/3435602/2022...urce=twitterhq
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07-26-2022, 02:54 PM
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Franchise Player
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nurse hasn't even started!
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07-26-2022, 02:55 PM
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Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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I think this is the first time in years that a list like this hasn't contained a single Canuck.
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07-26-2022, 02:59 PM
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7/10 are dmen and the rest are undersized forwards, not that its scientific but interesting trend
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07-26-2022, 03:00 PM
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Chiarot just signed his lol
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07-26-2022, 03:01 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Blaster86
I think this is the first time in years that a list like this hasn't contained a single Canuck.
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Kind of surprised OEL isn't on there. The Canucks aren't paying the whole thing - but 5 more years of that isn't going to be fun.
(and obviously Lucic would be on here for the Flames if he had more time left).
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07-26-2022, 03:02 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Blaster86
I think this is the first time in years that a list like this hasn't contained a single Canuck.
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Gotta think OEL just missed the cut?
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07-26-2022, 03:03 PM
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My simple take away is that his model doesn't do a great job of accounting for Defensemen. Or players on terrible teams. Or especially D-men playing huge minutes on terrible teams.
Can anyone give a quick ELI5 on what is actually so wrong with Jones, Werenski, or Parayko?
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07-26-2022, 03:06 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by powderjunkie
My simple take away is that his model doesn't do a great job of accounting for Defensemen. Or players on terrible teams. Or especially D-men playing huge minutes on terrible teams.
Can anyone give a quick ELI5 on what is actually so wrong with Jones, Werenski, or Parayko?
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I don't have the actual article, or the actual data, so this is just my best guess, but I'd presume it's fancy stats "value per $" type of a viewpoint. Likely some combined metric of goals for/against per minute per dollar... that's how I'd put value on a contract anyway.
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07-26-2022, 03:08 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Matty81
7/10 are dmen and the rest are undersized forwards, not that its scientific but interesting trend
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I think there is some wonkiness with Dom's model over the long term.
If you look at Gaudreau's card for example:
I'd question a model where a guy has a season way better than he's ever had before.. but then is expected to not decline back to his previous 2019 (good) level until 4 years later.
Josi's got the same sort of deal and he mentions Doughty as a guy who was always on this list but had a good year so is now expected to keep that level up instead of returning back to the level he was in the years prior.
Just seems like a guy who pulls out a career season in his late 20s, early 30s is more likely than not to regress back to his 'normal' levels quicker unlike a 21 year old guy.
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07-26-2022, 03:08 PM
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I immediately thought of Karlsson and I'm astounded his wasnt ranked higher, but that Nurse contract is genuinely that bad.
And I think he's the youngest player on that list?
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07-26-2022, 03:11 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I thought Werenski was supposed to be really good?
I also think Suzuki will come around and the contract is ok.
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07-26-2022, 03:15 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Locke
I immediately thought of Karlsson and I'm astounded his wasnt ranked higher, but that Nurse contract is genuinely that bad.
And I think he's the youngest player on that list?
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Werenski is 2 years younger.
Werenski, Suzuki, Nurse, and Parayko each have 8 years remaining (ie. their deals haven't even started)...
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07-26-2022, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Icon
Gotta think OEL just missed the cut?
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Originally Posted by PeteMoss
Kind of surprised OEL isn't on there. The Canucks aren't paying the whole thing - but 5 more years of that isn't going to be fun.
(and obviously Lucic would be on here for the Flames if he had more time left).
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OEL having a big chunk of his contract paid for by another team definitely played a role in keeping it off this list. That he bounced back last season also probably didn't hurt.
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07-26-2022, 03:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
I immediately thought of Karlsson and I'm astounded his wasnt ranked higher, but that Nurse contract is genuinely that bad.
And I think he's the youngest player on that list?
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EK: Can't get ranked low if you rarely play
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07-26-2022, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I thought Werenski was supposed to be really good?
I also think Suzuki will come around and the contract is ok.
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He is pretty good, but hasn't played to his AAV yet. He is only 25 though, still time to blossom.
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07-26-2022, 03:19 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteMoss
I think there is some wonkiness with Dom's model over the long term.
If you look at Gaudreau's card for example:
I'd question a model where a guy has a season way better than he's ever had before.. but then is expected to not decline back to his previous 2019 (good) level until 4 years later.
Josi's got the same sort of deal and he mentions Doughty as a guy who was always on this list but had a good year so is now expected to keep that level up instead of returning back to the level he was in the years prior.
Just seems like a guy who pulls out a career season in his late 20s, early 30s is more likely than not to regress back to his 'normal' levels quicker unlike a 21 year old guy. |
Dom attributes Gaudreau's 20 and 21 seasons as being dragged down by Monahan as he's mentioned that in the past. His model is based on Gaudreau not being centered by Monahan in the future.
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07-26-2022, 03:21 PM
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Franchise Player
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Yeah Suzuki being there is a bit premature I think. He's only starting his new deal this coming year and he saw a big jump already last season in points. Think he'll be fine.
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07-26-2022, 03:21 PM
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Good lord, imagine how bad Jones and Seguin must be for those contracts to be worse than Jeff Skinner's...
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07-26-2022, 03:23 PM
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Calgary
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I'm surprised Bobrovsky is not on that list. He is overpaid and under contract for the next 4 seasons. Given Florida's push to contend, and arguably taking a step back this off-season in order to fit re-signed players under the cap, his contract is hurting his team's chances of remaining competitive.
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