[Trade] WSH trades Vanecek and 46th OA to NJD for 37th OA and 70th OA

[sureLoss]

goalie market is fast and furious right now

https://twitter.com/user/status/1545414921109872641

[Ozy_Flame]

Not going to lie, most of the goalies being moved around I have no clue who they are.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Blackwood will have this year to prove he is the franchise goalie. Vanicek is a solid backup

[Monahammer]

Vladar may have been able to get a reasonable haul given the prices that are flying around. We might have been smart to take it given Wolf's emergence.

It seems the johnny stuff is eclipsing everything in our front office right now. It shouldn't be this way- it should definitely prevent high value moves and big pieces as we figure out salary, but it doesn't take a genius to look at our goalie situation and see a bit of a problem brewing.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Vladar may have been able to get a reasonable haul given the prices that are flying around. We might have been smart to take it given Wolf's emergence.

It seems the johnny stuff is eclipsing everything in our front office right now. It shouldn't be this way- it should definitely prevent high value moves and big pieces as we figure out salary, but it doesn't take a genius to look at our goalie situation and see a bit of a problem brewing.

Wolf hasn't played a single NHL game.
What is exactly is the problem brewing with our goalies?
I would suggest the goalie situation is as good as its been in a long time


Clear #1: Markstrom (yes yes he didn't play well v. the Oilers)
Strong back-up: Vladar
Emerging potential long-term starter: Wolf

What's the problem here?

In addition, the goalies being moved in these deals are being acquired because the teams think they can be #1s and they have a stronger track record to show that. I don't think a team is acquiring Vladar to be their #1.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Wolf hasn't played a single NHL game.
What is exactly is the problem brewing with our goalies?
I would suggest the goalie situation is as good as its been in a long time


Clear #1: Markstrom (yes yes he didn't play well v. the Oilers)
Strong back-up: Vladar
Emerging potential long-term starter: Wolf

What's the problem here?

No Goalie on Wolf's growth curve plays 2 years in the AHL. We are risking stunting his development or sending him the message that he should look elsewhere. Wolf is much more valuable to our future than Vladar.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Vanecek is the perfect 1B. He stole the show in Washington a few times when Samsonov wasn’t. Blackwood’s got his work cut out.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

No Goalie on Wolf's growth curve plays 2 years in the AHL. We are risking stunting his development or sending him the message that he should look elsewhere. Wolf is much more valuable to our future than Vladar.

Hmmmm. I don't believe you.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

No Goalie on Wolf's growth curve plays 2 years in the AHL. We are risking stunting his development or sending him the message that he should look elsewhere. Wolf is much more valuable to our future than Vladar.

Playing 2 years in the AHL is very common. I suspect he gets a taste of NHL action this year, and depending on how it goes he potentially is the backup the season after.

There is zero evidence that they are harming his development. Rushing him to the NHL would potentially do that though.

He's an undersized guy coming off his first year pro. There is no rush here.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Hmmmm. I don't believe you.

I mean, sure, go find one.

We're talking about the best goalie prospect not in the NHL and there's no clear path for him to get to the nhl in the next season.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Playing 2 years in the AHL is very common. I suspect he gets a taste of NHL action this year, and depending on how it goes he potentially is the backup the season after.

There is zero evidence that they are harming his development. Rushing him to the NHL would potentially do that though.

He's an undersized guy coming off his first year pro. There is no rush here.

With our cap issues? It would require a goalie injury. What sort of top prospect is excited that his only opportunity at the big show will be a goalie injury in front of him?

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

No Goalie on Wolf's growth curve plays 2 years in the AHL. We are risking stunting his development or sending him the message that he should look elsewhere. Wolf is much more valuable to our future than Vladar.

I'd much rather Wolf continues to play as a starter in the A than come ride the pine for 80% of the games with the Flames.

If he continues to be great then he's likely Markstrom's replacement, not Vladar's

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I mean, sure, go find one.

We're talking about the best goalie prospect not in the NHL and there's no clear path for him to get to the nhl in the next season.

There doesn't have to be.
It's not like he can choose to go somewhere else. He is under years of team control.

There are plenty of problems with the Flames. Not sure we need to make up new ones.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

With our cap issues? It would require a goalie injury. What sort of top prospect is excited that his only opportunity at the big show will be a goalie injury in front of him?

what type of top prospect is excited to sit on the bench for 60 games?

They will have the ability to give him a spot start if they want to.

This is such a nothing issue.

[sureLoss]

Vladar makes league minimum and is RFA next season.

He will be easy to move if the Flames need to make room for Wolf.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Wolf hasn't played a single NHL game.
What is exactly is the problem brewing with our goalies?
I would suggest the goalie situation is as good as its been in a long time


Clear #1: Markstrom (yes yes he didn't play well v. the Oilers)
Strong back-up: Vladar
Emerging potential long-term starter: Wolf

What's the problem here?

In addition, the goalies being moved in these deals are being acquired because the teams think they can be #1s and they have a stronger track record to show that. I don't think a team is acquiring Vladar to be their #1.

Bang on. It's an absolute fire drill out there for other teams looking for goalies. Not that we don't have our own firedrills, but lets not add goaltending to the list of issues. It's nice to have our set-up right now.

[tvp2003]

So are the Caps all in with Samsonov next year? Or are they bringing in a bigger fish?

Vanecek is still young with upside, and his numbers have been pretty good with the Caps. NJ is probably hoping he can push (if not elevate past) Blackwood, who has been mediocre for the last two years (albeit on a bad team).

[Enoch Root]

Vladar is a great backup, making $750k, and is not unhappy with his 20-game role.

Wolf is 20 years old and needs to play. Suggesting he should spend this season sitting on the bench, watching Markstrom play, is pretty silly.

Complaining that the Flames are screwing him over and wrecking his trajectory is about as off-target as an opinion could get here.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

No Goalie on Wolf's growth curve plays 2 years in the AHL. We are risking stunting his development or sending him the message that he should look elsewhere. Wolf is much more valuable to our future than Vladar.

Corey Crawford played 5 years in the AHL before he won 2 Stanley Cups with the Hawks.

Binnington, 3 years.

[iggyloob12]

Vladar is the perfect benchwarmer for this year. Makes league minimum and is a competent backup. That allows Wolf to continue to develop in the A as a workhorse starter.
While Wolf might survive if he's rushed to the NHL today, there is zero need outside of injuries. Might as well bring him up when he's ready to thrive.