04-29-2022, 07:57 PM
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GOAT!
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NHL.com "Panel": Hart is between Huberdeau and a Leaf with 60 goals
Johnny 5th in voting. Which is pretty much what I'm figuring is going to happen with the actual voting. Not named McDavid or play for an eastern team = not even a finalist. 
1. Matthews
2. Huberdeau
3. A Lottery Ball
https://www.nhl.com/news/trophy-trac...hy/c-333554504
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04-29-2022, 08:03 PM
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
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No surprises there.
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04-29-2022, 08:04 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: North Vancouver
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That he's not even in the top 3 is such a f'n joke. Not surprising of course. But still ridiculous.
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04-29-2022, 08:38 PM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
I was told on this site Huberdeau wasn’t really in it though
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He isn't gonna win it
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04-29-2022, 08:41 PM
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Franchise Player
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Matthews doesn't even have that many more points than Josi, a two-way defenseman who is miles ahead of the rest of his team in points.
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04-29-2022, 08:44 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Wow, so mainstream.
Lame.
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04-29-2022, 08:51 PM
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GOAT!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by direwolf
That he's not even in the top 3 is such a f'n joke. Not surprising of course. But still ridiculous.
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Not even a single first place vote. All the firsts went to: Matthews (4), Huberdeau (7), McDavid (3), Shesterkin (2).
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04-29-2022, 08:55 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Saskatoon
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I understand why Matthews is in the running. 60 goals in 73 games is no small task. But how Huberdeau can be seen as a clear 2nd kind of baffles me. Tied with Gaudreau in pts. But Gaudreau is killing it in +- and 5 on 5 scoring. But I forgot, Huberdeau plays in the east, so that's the trump card.
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04-29-2022, 08:59 PM
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Franchise Player
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I bet Gaudreau does a bit better in the actual voting, still not as well as he should
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04-29-2022, 09:01 PM
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tromboner
Join Date: Mar 2006
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I didn't not realize Matthews has missed so many games. That does make the case from him more impressive than if you just compare season totals.
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04-29-2022, 09:02 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flamesgod
I understand why Matthews is in the running. 60 goals in 73 games is no small task. But how Huberdeau can be seen as a clear 2nd kind of baffles me. Tied with Gaudreau in pts. But Gaudreau is killing it in +- and 5 on 5 scoring. But I forgot, Huberdeau plays in the east, so that's the trump card.
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Goal scoring feats don't equal MVP.
Leafs are a loaded team. They wouldn't be screwed without Matthews.
Johnny stirs the drink here, and did something arguably as impressive with his even strength production.
McDavid and Matthews are likely never to enter that conversation because they're PP darlings.
Nashville wouldn't be where they are without Josi and his season might be the most impressive by a d-man since the Karlsson Ottawa days and even surpass those.
Huberdeau and Josi would make sense to me. McDavid even makes more sense than Matthews.
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04-29-2022, 09:07 PM
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Voted for Kodos
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It’s clear to me that there is two forwards who are clearly 1-2.
Matthews and Gaudreau.
Personally I’d put Gaudreau #1.
Statistically, the season he had, if he doesn’t win the Hart, it would be somewhat of a tragedy.
Anyone voting for McDavid has clearly looked at the final points standings and literally nothing more. And that’s saying something, because McDavid probably had the best full season of his career.
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04-29-2022, 09:07 PM
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Franchise Player
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Well there's always the Conn Smythe.
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04-29-2022, 09:10 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Calgary
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There is no good argument against Gaudreau this year if you ask me.
But a Leaf got 60 goals so, no chance he wins.
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04-29-2022, 09:28 PM
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If it's about who is most valuable to his team, you kind of have to start off with the hypothetical of which team is worst without that top player. Of the candidate teams, Nashville, Edmonton, and New York are the worst without their candidates.
McDavid loses out because it's not actually clear he's the best player on his own team IMO. Josi is the best player on his team, but the team didn't exactly shine, so that knocks him down a peg. The Rangers have Kreider and Fox, but otherwise they look pretty weak to me, and could be on the outside looking in if not for their goalie. But that said, he didn't play a ton of games.
I think between the Flames, Leafs, and cats, Calgary would be the most impacted by the loss of their candidate - likely not making the playoffs. Florida and Toronto would be substantially worse, but still very competitive teams.
So, Johnny and Shesterkin if the spirit of the award is maintained. Matthews if it's just down to who had the most impressive individual season.
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04-29-2022, 09:29 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Chilliwack, B.C
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I hope Huberdeau gets it he's an amazing player
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04-29-2022, 09:44 PM
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Oakville, ON
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Meh, on the positive side perhaps it saves us a few bucks on the contract. Might not be popular but all individual awards do is drive up the contracts.
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04-29-2022, 09:45 PM
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All I can get
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Johnny for sure.
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04-29-2022, 10:12 PM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by djsFlames
Goal scoring feats don't equal MVP.
Leafs are a loaded team. They wouldn't be screwed without Matthews.
Johnny stirs the drink here, and did something arguably as impressive with his even strength production.
McDavid and Matthews are likely never to enter that conversation because they're PP darlings.
Nashville wouldn't be where they are without Josi and his season might be the most impressive by a d-man since the Karlsson Ottawa days and even surpass those.
Huberdeau and Josi would make sense to me. McDavid even makes more sense than Matthews.
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I don't think that is a very good take on Matthews. The Leafs would be a completely different team without him. I also don't think you can lump Matthews in with McDavid as PP darling. Matthews has 29 PP points and 77 even strength points. For reference, Johnny has 25 PP and 90 even strength, respectively. Of Matthews 60 goals, 44 of them are also 5-on-5. To say Matthews is a powerplay 'darling' is a bit of a stretch to be honest. The fact he amassed 60 goals in 73 games alone is ridiculous.
I think the reason Johnny doesn't get more love around the league outside of the eastern bias is he plays on far and above the best line in hockey this year. Does he deserve it? Absolutely. This season has just been over the moon in terms of scoring all around. I do share your view on Josi though as the year he has had is basically unheard of in recent history for a defensemen and he is far and above the heart and sole of that preds team, which is what the award is used for. You could make the case for 7 or 8 guys to win it this year. Heck, even Kaprizov has been a total machine and you could easily argue his importance to the Wild is right up there with the rest of these guys. But to say Matthews is just a PP darling and to not account for his season or importance to that team is just silly.
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