[Game Takes] Flames 5 Panthers 1

[Bingo]

Game Takes: Flames 5 Panthers 1

- Gaudreau with four assists
- Monahan with two goals
- Markstrom solid in net
- Panthers likely deserved better than they received

[DeluxeMoustache]

That’s pretty much a perfect Game Takes write up

Also, I think that 4 point night may have put Johnny in the top 10 for scoring

[GioforPM]

Is Kylington kind of plateauing? He hasn’t been the sensation he was early on.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Is Kylington kind of plateauing? He hasn’t been the sensation he was early on.

The points have dried up but he was getting points on an unsustainable number of goals scored with him on the ice to start the year.

For the season Tanev and him rank 20th in xGF% for any pairing that’s played at least 150 minutes.

Still have been great as a pair and very strong defensively.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Is Kylington kind of plateauing? He hasn’t been the sensation he was early on.

I wouldn’t mind if they took Hanifin off the PP and let Kylington be the main puck handler on the point.

I often find myself frustrated by Hanifin’s decisions on the PP. Not saying this would drastically bump up Oliver’s offensive production but I don’t think it would hurt.

Coleman should be on PP2 anyways.

[Erick Estrada]

As expected Sam Bennett scores against his old team midway through the second, but Sean Monahan gets it back with a tip on a powerplay to restore the team’s two goal lead.

I chuckled. It seems like recent ex-Flames seem to always score against the Flames as it was never if only a matter of when. That 3rd goal was huge though as the Panthers never got a chance to steal the momentum.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Is Kylington kind of plateauing? He hasn’t been the sensation he was early on.

I was actually thinking how excellent he was last night. Went up against a very good team and he seemed to have a quiet, very strong night.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Is Kylington kind of plateauing? He hasn’t been the sensation he was early on.

I'm just happy he's rounded out to a dependable regular in the lineup as that makes three out of your top six 25 years old or younger. His improvement has enabled to Valimaki to get much needed ice time in the AHL.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I was actually thinking how excellent he was last night. Went up against a very good team and he seemed to have a quiet, very strong night.

I think he skates faster than his hands right now. If he got some good shots down he would have had at least a goal last night. Still looks good though.

[sa226]

One thing I think that I've noticed about Kylington, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that in spite of his skating gifts, he really needs to work of his lateral mobility. He has more of a hunched down skating style and in straight lines he's an amazing skater, but it seems he could be a bit more dynamic with his skating to really maximize his gifts.

[GranteedEV]

In terms of five on five expected goals, the Flames had 44%

Is this a typo? All three defense pairs had xGF% over 56% no?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Is this a typo? All three defense pairs had xGF% over 56% no?

Not a typo.

The second pairing had a rough night by the numbers. Tanev at 33%, Kylington, Andersson and Hanifin all around 40%.

[SuperMatt18]

Interestingly enough after all the panic after the loss a couple weeks ago to the Panthers that we couldn't compete with a team like that, here is how it all played out through 2 games.

5V5
Corsi For: 49.8% (Advantage Florida)
High Danger: 54.7% (Advantage Calgary)
xGF%: 53.00% (Advantage Calgary)
GF%: 50% (Toss Up - 5 GF, 5 GA)
Shooting Percentage: 7.25%
Save Percentage: .917
PDO: .989 (Advantage Florida)

So Flames actually carried the play in terms of xGF against Florida, Florida had the better shooting and Save Percentages, and in the end it was pretty even through 2 games.

Score was probably a little misleading in both games as well. Florida probably deserved better than 5-1 last night, Flames deserved better than 6-2 two weeks ago.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Good write up, but I think you could have been more charitable to the Flames in the first. I thought they played quite well. In particular "They couldn’t walk that game out for the next forty and come away with a victory, however". I think they win more than 50% of the games if they play that way. The Panthers are a tough team.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Good write up, but I think you could have been more charitable to the Flames in the first. I thought they played quite well. In particular "They couldn’t walk that game out for the next forty and come away with a victory, however". I think they win more than 50% of the games if they play that way. The Panthers are a tough team.

I thought they got outplayed pretty badly in the first period but were bailed out by flubs on the part of the Panthers and some big stops from Markstrom.

But yeah you're up 2-0 and the telecast is glowing about the Flames so I went to see what the stats said ... the Ball/Hrudey view or mine?

5 on 5 first 20:
CF 14-10 Florida
Shots 8-5 Florida
Scoring Chances 6-4 Florida
High danger 3-2 Florida
xGF% 67.29% Florida

That could have gone much much worse.

They stabilized and were very good the rest of the way though.

[Strange Brew]

This game was exactly what one could hope to see from Monahan. He doesn't seem to have the shot he once did and he is not much of a play driver, but he still has instincts and skills. So some opportunistic production from him would be great. He's not going to shut anyone down but if he can be neutral defensively. and provide some occasional production, you have to take it at this point.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I thought they got outplayed pretty badly in the first period but were bailed out by flubs on the part of the Panthers and some big stops from Markstrom.

But yeah you're up 2-0 and the telecast is glowing about the Flames so I went to see what the stats said ... the Ball/Hrudey view or mine?

5 on 5 first 20:
CF 14-10 Florida
Shots 8-5 Florida
Scoring Chances 6-4 Florida
High danger 3-2 Florida
xGF% 67.29% Florida

That could have gone much much worse.

They stabilized and were very good the rest of the way though.

That's either refuting my eye test, or your stats. I know where you stand on that issue. For me, I thought it was very even, with an advantage to the Flames with that quick PP goal.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

That's either refuting my eye test, or your stats. I know where you stand on that issue. For me, I thought it was very even, with an advantage to the Flames with that quick PP goal.

All good ...

We all see the game differently.

I just felt uneasy about the 2-0 lead, it felt fleeting. When Lindholm took that early 2nd period penalty I was like "um here we go ..."

[SuperMatt18]

The eye test wouldn't have normalized for 5v5 vs all situations.

When you add all situations it was much closer first period. (Also the % can be misleading in small samples...3 HDCF vs 4 HDCF and it's 42.9% HDCF)

Corsi: 18 vs 20
Shots: 10 vs 11
HDCF: 3 vs 4
xGF: 0.93 vs 1.17
GF: 2 vs 0

So when you look at all situations Florida had the slight edge in Corsi, Shots, High Danger, and xGF...but it was really close and 1-2 shot/chance difference in all categories. Plus when the team is also winning 2-0 that's going to overcome those slight differences when looking at how the period went as a whole.

And I think this is a big gap in eye test vs. 5v5 advanced stats sometimes. Sometimes I'll watch a game an go "Man the Flames got outplayed that period" then check Natural Stat Trick and they have 60% 5v5 Corsi / xGF. But then you look back and they spent 5 minutes on the PK and gave up a PP goal, which makes it all make more sense.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

All good ...

We all see the game differently.

I just felt uneasy about the 2-0 lead, it felt fleeting. When Lindholm took that early 2nd period penalty I was like "um here we go ..."

Even after the 2-1 goal I felt OK. Maybe because Markstrom was clearly on and Knight wasn’t.