Flames' prospect pool ranked 22nd by Elite Prospects

[TheScorpion]

Probably as good a ranking as you could hope for, given how strong the NHL club is. I think EP has some of the best talent evaluators in the public sphere and they had very complimentary things to say about some of the Flames' top young players.

https://eprinkside.com/2022/09/21/ep...calgary-flames

Full writeup is behind a paywall, but here's their Top 15 (based on Calder eligibility), with Calgarypuck's consensus rankings in parentheses:

1. Coronato (3)
2. Zary (4)
3. Pelletier (2)
4. Wolf (1)
5. Vladar (was not included)
6. Poirier (9)
7. Beck (12)
8. Phillips (11)
9. Kerins (7)
10. Ronni (14)
11. Stromgren (T16)
12. Jordan (31)
13. Pettersen (19)
14. Sergeev (18)
15. Kuznetsov (13)

Not included from our top 15: Ruzicka, Valimaki, and Mackey (not Calder eligible), Schwindt, and Pospisil.

[Ragnar]

This pool seems underrated for sure from all the rankings I've seen. I reckon we have 6-7 guys who will at least get some time in the NHL, with a 3-4 becoming solid players.

Swap Zary and Pelts and this is pretty much how I would rank them. Phillips should be 12-15 at this point IMO. He will likely never make the Flames. Maybe throw Pops in that same area.

edit: missed Schwindt, he should be top 10.

[TheScorpion]

I think we're all collectively overrating Schwindt a bit. He has promise, but I don't see any particular aspects to his game or trajectory that would even put him over the recent second-round picks in Ronni or Stromgren.

I get he's the new guy, but he's a ways away. He had 40 points in 72 AHL games last year — the Heat had around 10 guys who scored at least at a similar pace, and some (Pelletier, Phillips) much better.

I would probably have him around the 12 or 13 spot but I don't find it super objectionable that they picked the guys they did.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I think we're all collectively overrating Schwindt a bit. He has promise, but I don't see any particular aspects to his game or trajectory that would even put him over the recent second-round picks in Ronni or Stromgren.

I get he's the new guy, but he's a ways away. He had 40 points in 72 AHL games last year — the Heat had around 10 guys who scored at least at a similar pace, and some (Pelletier, Phillips) much better.

I would probably have him around the 12 or 13 spot but I don't find it super objectionable that they picked the guys they did.

Have you watched those European guys a decent amount? If so I would very much like to hear your opinion! Personally I have not, and can only attest to their stats and draft pedigree. Schwindt has played NHL games at 20 years of age, I feel like that alone jacks him way above those two at this point.

[TheScorpion]

I haven't seen much of Ronni or Stromgren.

However, I do feel obligated to mention that Schwindt's first NHL action came at a time when the Panthers were playing games with just 16 skaters. They were completely battered with COVID-19 and were without Barkov, Ekblad, Verhaeghe, Marchment, Bennett, Vatrano, Acciari, Lomberg, Montour, Gudas, and Forsling. They desperately needed bodies to play for them. So yes, Schwindt did get to play, and he was rewarded with a couple more games at the very end of the year, but there's some important context to that as well.

If the Flames had been in a similar situation, we likely would've seen guys like Zary, Phillips, Pelletier, and Pettersen get into a couple games this year. Instead, their COVID outbreak happened all at once and they were almost completely healthy by the time their schedule resumed.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

This pool rating seems about right. There's maybe only one prospect projected to be a for sure top 6 forward or top 4 defender. There's good depth, but much of that depth projects to only being bottom of the roster type players. That's okay, there's time to draft and develop some more young talent because the team won't need any of those players in the near future. However, my concern is that as long as the Flames are highly competitive, they will likely trade away draft capital for rentals every year. That will likely limit how well the pool can be restocked.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I think we're all collectively overrating Schwindt a bit. He has promise, but I don't see any particular aspects to his game or trajectory that would even put him over the recent second-round picks in Ronni or Stromgren.

I get he's the new guy, but he's a ways away. He had 40 points in 72 AHL games last year — the Heat had around 10 guys who scored at least at a similar pace, and some (Pelletier, Phillips) much better.

I would probably have him around the 12 or 13 spot but I don't find it super objectionable that they picked the guys they did.

Schwindt had 18 even strength goals, 36 even strength points, and led his team in +/- as a rookie while being a fixture on the PK. To put that into perspective, Jakob Pelletier had 16 even strength goals, and 39 even strength points this past year. Given that Schwindt had little to no powerplay time - his production was fantastic. I'd certainly say he's a top 10 prospect in the organization based on last year.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

These rankings seem about right. Hard to judge the overall number of 22, but I think it is probably right where the Flames are in their development/go-for it now status. Individually, this fits more with what I was thinking, as I was a little higher on the skaters and lower on the goalies.

Overall, it doesn't feel a whole bunch different than what CP came up with.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Probably as good a ranking as you could hope for, given how strong the NHL club is. I think EP has some of the best talent evaluators in the public sphere and they had very complimentary things to say about some of the Flames' top young players.

https://eprinkside.com/2022/09/21/ep...calgary-flames

Full writeup is behind a paywall, but here's their Top 15 (based on Calder eligibility), with Calgarypuck's consensus rankings in parentheses:

1. Coronato (3)
2. Zary (4)
3. Pelletier (2)
4. Wolf (1)
5. Vladar (was not included)
6. Poirier (9)
7. Beck (12)
8. Phillips (11)
9. Kerins (7)
10. Ronni (14)
11. Stromgren (T16)
12. Jordan (31)
13. Pettersen (19)
14. Sergeev (18)
15. Kuznetsov (13)

Not included from our top 15: Ruzicka, Valimaki, and Mackey (not Calder eligible), Schwindt, and Pospisil.

How do you miss Ruzicka, Valimaki and Mackey but include Vader?

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by Goriders

How do you miss Ruzicka, Valimaki and Mackey but include Vader?

Vladar is Calder eligible and the other three aren't. Ruzicka and Valimaki have both played more than 25 games in a previous season. Mackey turned 26 before Sept 15. Vladar only played 23 games last year.

[1qqaaz]

Just remember, optimal development practices can go a long way.

If done properly, you can go a long way with a seemingly middling prospect pool. This is especially true for players drafted in the middle to later rounds.

[The Fonz]

Any way to view older CP Prospect Ranking threads? Oldest one I can find is Round 7, on page 9.

Surprised by the general lack of interest in Pospisil.

[Macho0978]

When you look at these lists, teams with star prospects get ranked higher and they should. But in recent years with young players getting paid earlier the value of depth prospects has increased.

Look at Mangiapane. Seems like he has been very good for us for years. Until this year, he has never played a season where he has made $2.5 mil in a season. Yet Puljujarvi already makes 3 or Bennett makes $4.6 mil.

Or a guy like Weegar. The season he had why is the rumour he going to make $6.5 over 8 years yet Werenski, Jones and Nurse got $9 mil. What's the difference? IMO ones a former 6th round pick the other 3 are former top 10 picks

Building a championship core and managing your cap is what it is all about. Drafting and developing players is the #1 way to achieve both. Once you have a great core, there is tons of value in drafting and developing players outside of the first round. These players help you manage your cap more than some of the overrated former top 10 picks. Most years, 7-8 players in that were former top 10 picks get over paid on their 2nd contract simply because they have potential.

Most good teams already have good cores aren't getting top 10 picks. IMO the Flames are doing very well with the prospects even though the ranking seems fair

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Any way to view older CP Prospect Ranking threads? Oldest one I can find is Round 7, on page 9.

Surprised by the general lack of interest in Pospisil.

Originally Posted by Bingo

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I like our prospect rankings better than theirs.

[Iniggywetrust]

I think we’re all sleeping in Petterson a bit. He was head and shoulders above most at the Young stars tournament.
Defensive game needs some work but has the skills to play top six.


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