10 Things People Say Here That I'll Never Understand

[bobbylouie]

Maybe it's because I'm in my 80's and I just don't get it anymore, but there are opinions I see posted in here
with regularity that I just don't understand. (I realize it's not everybody).
I assume people actually feel this way and are serious when they type their analysis.
Meanwhile, I'm sitting here shaking my head and going "huh?". Maybe it's because I worked for the league
and didn't have any allegiance to one particular team so I was more neutral.
Here's 10 variations that I've seen people say with a degree of regularity and seeming sincerity that come to mind:

*I will say that some of these have gotten less common as the team has recently cratered.

10. I watch every one of these losses and I know it looks like we're getting killed, but the
(random obscure stat with some abbreviation that I don't even know what it stands for)
shows that we're right there. Relax guys, I'm sure we're about to turn it around.

9. If only they played the whole game like they played those 4 minutes (can be at any point of the game but usually late in a loss),
it's obvious what a dominant team we'd be.

8. I realize that our top line guys haven't done f*** all in weeks, but it's (fill in random 4th line guy or low pairing defenseman) that's killing us.

7. I can't believe how snake-bitten we are. We must have had 15 high quality shots that went wide.

6. I realize we did 17 things wrong over and over during the game and played the whole time like we didn't give a sh**,
but if the referee hadn't (fill in random botched call early in the 2nd period), it would have changed the whole game around.

5. Damn, these 2-1 losses are frustrating. If only our goalie hadn't blown it.

4. We lost but I'm satisfied, at least we got a point.

3. If you discount the 9 games we lost because (fill in random excuse/team lost to),
we'd be right in there.

2. We totally suck a**, but I'm okay with it as long as (fill in favorite team
to hate, usually Edmonton) fails too.

1. Man, I 'd hate to be (insert team that won 1-3 Stanley Cups in the last 12
years), look where it got them now.

#2 and #1, I'll never understand those.
I'm sure there are more but that's all I have the energy for on a lazy Saturday afternoon. Nap time.

[Macman]

nm

[robertsfan]

11- The use of “jihad”, but then they’ll jump all over any other use of Cultural appropriation, sexism, discrimination or any other social justice issue.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by bobbylouie

10. I watch every one of these losses and I know it looks like we're getting killed, but the
(random obscure stat with some abbreviation that I don't even know what it stands for)
shows that we're right there. Relax guys, I'm sure we're about to turn it around.

The stats twisting thing always gets me. Hockey is actually a very simple game and doesn't need to be as stats heavy as some people make it. You can always find some obscure stats that create silver linings or excuses for why your team lost, but the eye-test doesn't lie. I get that it gives you something to talk about, but the context is often misplaced.

You shouldn't put the cart in front of the horse when it comes to advanced stats. It's often suggested that if you coach to achieve certain possession numbers, the team will win more. It's actually the other way around. If the team has talent and works hard, those possession numbers will naturally emerge. If your team has good possession numbers and still sucks, it's not an issue of "luck" and things aren't bound to regress to a norm if you stay the course. It's a pretty good indication that your team actually lacks something important (talent to execute, or character/chemistry to overcome adversity). If anything, that gap should be a warning sign and not a sign that things are going to turn around. The opposite is also often true. If the team is winning despite poor possession numbers, there is probably another factor playing into it and you shouldn't assume things will necessarily come crashing down. It's just as likely that the poor stats will normalize over time as long as the team continues to paly well.

[djsFlames]

CP logic is very peticular and strange. I mean beyond the fire on ice forum.

It took me a while to figure out how people thought here and what sort of comments people would jump all over.

There are a lot of conversations you can have mature exchanges about in real life but won't fly in here because many are heavily ingrained in specific beliefs or views and can be very easily triggered or outright dismissive.

As for the 10 things, I think that's just people looking for any confirmation bias that things will work out or click into place. A lot of people want to be optimistic, even in the face of what is clearly not good or effective hockey that has persisted for some time. I think you're always just a few things going your way away from a better outcome, but the Flames don't give themselves an abundance of opportunities for things to break their way because they don't play relentless which is what causes that dam to break in their favour.

So long as we are a team that will go quietly into the night without a whimper, we're not making any noise. No matter what post we hit or what specific window of time we looked good over.

[AC]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

There are a lot of conversations you can have mature exchanges about in real life but won't fly in here because many are heavily ingrained in specific beliefs or views and can be very easily triggered or outright dismissive.

I think this is a reality of most online communities, or entire social media platforms even. Most forums/discords/subreddits all end up becoming more and more of an echo chamber when it comes to specific ways of thinking or types of discussions. It feels like it's gotten worse recently (maybe just because of the effects of the pandemic on everyone), but so many discussions now devolve into the same circular arguments that people are having across all threads at all times.

Though I'm curious what types of conversations you're referring to that you can have in real life but not here?

[CSharp]

What gets me is the stupid stats for goalies and extremely useless small sample size stats to prove The Need for Special Needs 2! Just watch the games and watch the team play rather than point out useless stats to support views that amount to head-scratching nothing certain players. It's a team sport and right now, the Flames are failing as a team.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by AC

I think this is a reality of most online communities, or entire social media platforms even. Most forums/discords/subreddits all end up becoming more and more of an echo chamber when it comes to specific ways of thinking or types of discussions. It feels like it's gotten worse recently (maybe just because of the effects of the pandemic on everyone), but so many discussions now devolve into the same circular arguments that people are having across all threads at all times.

Though I'm curious what types of conversations you're referring to that you can have in real life but not here?

Very true about the echo chamber. I think it's important to have different viewpoints and ideas, otherwise we'll never progress or expand our way of thinking.

For one, intellectual/impartial/open minded conversations around religions or spiritual ideas that doesn't devolve quickly into generalizations that all people that believe in something are lesser than or wrong. Atheism rules the roost here, but it's to the extreme that you can't have a healthy discussion without people dropping in to assert their borderline elitist views.

There are plenty of interesting discussions to be had about such themes that simply won't have a chance to be had here without someone getting triggered and needing to chime in.

As for hockey things, It's impressive to note that many held the belief even into this year that Bennett was a good player being held back by being put down the lineup. Hopefully that one has been put to bed by now. I think we've seen enough under pretty vastly different coaches. I dont think any one is now concerned about him lighting the league up elsewhere, he's too inconsistent.

That was one of those ones that were hard to understand, but I can see why people wanted that to be the reason why he wasn't living up to his potential.

[Mathgod]

Here's another you can add to your list:

"Flames are 1-6 in their last 7 games, so 2 time (basically 3 time) Stanley Cup winning coach must be trash."

[Strange Brew]

I like 9 and 3.

If this team would play to its potential we’d be great. All teams have highs and lows, some may last longer than others. But there is not a pro sports team in existence that doesn’t look dominant for stretches.

You can apply this to games, seasons or even a players career.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Here's another you can add to your list:

"Flames are 1-6 in their last 7 games, so 2 time (basically 3 time) Stanley Cup winning coach must be trash."

LOL, this quote doesn't sound insane when you say it out loud, so there's that. Pretty hard to support any coach with a record like that. But you may want to check what that was actually all about. Sutter isn't able to get anything more out of the players than Ward did. I'm not sure how you paraphrased that as me calling him "trash", but the reality is that all coaches have their limitations, even ones with pedigrees.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by bobbylouie

Maybe it's because I'm in my 80's and I just don't get it anymore, but there are opinions I see posted in here
with regularity that I just don't understand. (I realize it's not everybody).
I assume people actually feel this way and are serious when they type their analysis.
Meanwhile, I'm sitting here shaking my head and going "huh?". Maybe it's because I worked for the league
and didn't have any allegiance to one particular team so I was more neutral.
Here's 10 variations that I've seen people say with a degree of regularity and seeming sincerity that come to mind:

*I will say that some of these have gotten less common as the team has recently cratered.

10. I watch every one of these losses and I know it looks like we're getting killed, but the
(random obscure stat with some abbreviation that I don't even know what it stands for)
shows that we're right there. Relax guys, I'm sure we're about to turn it around.

9. If only they played the whole game like they played those 4 minutes (can be at any point of the game but usually late in a loss),
it's obvious what a dominant team we'd be.

8. I realize that our top line guys haven't done f*** all in weeks, but it's (fill in random 4th line guy or low pairing defenseman) that's killing us.

7. I can't believe how snake-bitten we are. We must have had 15 high quality shots that went wide.

6. I realize we did 17 things wrong over and over during the game and played the whole time like we didn't give a sh**,
but if the referee hadn't (fill in random botched call early in the 2nd period), it would have changed the whole game around.

5. Damn, these 2-1 losses are frustrating. If only our goalie hadn't blown it.

4. We lost but I'm satisfied, at least we got a point.

3. If you discount the 9 games we lost because (fill in random excuse/team lost to),
we'd be right in there.

2. We totally suck a**, but I'm okay with it as long as (fill in favorite team
to hate, usually Edmonton) fails too.

1. Man, I 'd hate to be (insert team that won 1-3 Stanley Cups in the last 12
years), look where it got them now.

#2 and #1, I'll never understand those.
I'm sure there are more but that's all I have the energy for on a lazy Saturday afternoon. Nap time.

Being 80 and part of this forum is amazing.

I hope I'm as dialed in as you are when I get that age!

Kudos!

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I'm not sure how you paraphrased that as me calling him "trash"

That was me giving OP a taste of his own medicine. If he's going to completely distort my post from last night into a bull#### strawman, I might as well join in on the fun!

There are plenty of reasons for the team's recent 1-6 stretch that don't have to do with coaching. For example, Backlund's baby situation, Monahan's seemingly worsening injury situation, other players declining as the season has gone on...

And yes, the goaltending has been significantly and measurably worse under Sutter's tenure compared to what it was under Ward's. When you see your goalie making ten bell saves, as a player it energizes you to give a little bit more. When you see your goalie let in a weak goal, it can be deflating to you and the team.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

LOL, this quote doesn't sound insane when you say it out loud, so there's that. Pretty hard to support any coach with a record like that. But you may want to check what that was actually all about. Sutter isn't able to get anything more out of the players than Ward did. I'm not sure how you paraphrased that as me calling him "trash", but the reality is that all coaches have their limitations, even ones with pedigrees.

It's definitely fair to say Sutter hasn't been able to get more outta these guys than Ward did. But Sutter's had what? a month? This season was lost before he got here. It's going to take a long time to get the team right. Might not see any real improvement in their play till a quarter into next season.

For me the coaching change shows just how far away this team is from being a cup contender. Honestly, what the hell have they been doing for the last 2 years? Because what ever it is, it sucked. Ward was part of that but it wasn't solely on him.

The biggest part of the blame lays at the feet of the players. 2 seasons ago they were lights out for the first half of the season, and the second half they slowly started to slip, culminating in them getting pantsed in the playoffs by Colorado. Colorado didn't break this team, they were starting to show cracks before then and they have never recovered. I don't know if they started believing their own press, or that their farts don't stink or what, but this team started mentally checking out in the second half of the 2018-2019 season.

Another big part of the blame lays at the feet of the GM. His awful coaching hires and faulty roster construction has wasted the prime of some very good players. At some point he's got to do something meaningful to this roster, but at this point I am not sure he's the one I want to make meaningful change.

Outside of 2004 and 2015 this team has been wavering between mediocre and disappointing for 30 years. That's just beyond putrid.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

For one, intellectual/impartial/open minded conversations around religions or spiritual ideas that doesn't devolve quickly into generalizations that all people that believe in something are lesser than or wrong. Atheism rules the roost here, but it's to the extreme that you can't have a healthy discussion without people dropping in to assert their borderline elitist views...

I have been a member of this forum for over 15 years, and have always been very public about my religious beliefs. While they have shifted over time I can readily confirm that I have had dozens—perhaps hundreds—of highly positive, respectful, extremely enlightening discussions about religion in my time here at CP. It leads me to think that if your experience is different, then the problem may not be the forum and it's "borderline elitist views."

[PepsiFree]

Damn, I thought this was gonna be a lighthearted thread about “mind bottling”

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I have been a member of this forum for over 15 years, and have always been very public about my religious beliefs. While they have shifted over time I can readily confirm that I have had dozens—perhaps hundreds—of highly positive, respectful, extremely enlightening discussions about religion in my time here at CP. It leads me to think that if your experience is different, then the problem may not be the forum and it's "borderline elitist views."

Well to be fair, you established your credentials as a religious scholar early on, provide thoughtful commentary on such matters, and are bravely open about your loss of faith. That is all highly commendable and I’m sure leads to the higher quality of respectful religious discourse you’ve been engaged in. There are just as many Flying Spaghetti Monster-type comments around the forum though, so I tend to agree with the other poster.

(Disclaimer: I am also one of the faithless but not a “religion is the root of evil” sort)

[The Cobra]

I do know that Calgary has a streak going of breaking the world record for the worst refereed game ever called in their last 100 or so loses.


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[dino7c]

To be fair the refs do suck

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

To be fair the refs do suck

But do they always suck to the detriment of Calgary?


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