Tkachuk and Lindholm as co-1C

[Fire of the Phoenix]

The way this team is built bugs the hell out of me. There is no 1C and you can't win without one. Our three best forwards are wingers. 1C's are impossible to acquire unless you are a lottery team. What does BT do? I've posted a lot on this topic but the answer might be right in front of us or maybe I'm thinking too far out of the box, I don't know. My idea hinges on signing Hall or getting a fast north/south LW with skill, but why not try Tkachuk at 1C? I know these things rarely work out (think Tanguay and Cammalleri as 1C) but I think he has most of the tools. Probably not faceoffs but his eye-hand is elite so you never know. You could put Lindholm as his RW and have him take strongside faceoffs and help shoulder the load, defensively and offensively. Cammalleri and Tanguay were doomed because Cammi was too small and a sniper and Tanguay was uncomfortable at the position but probably too soft and defensively weak too. If Tkacuk is interested I think he has most of the tool required.

Matty pros

Elite playmaker
Down low force/strong
Big enough
Skill in spades
Vision/cerebral combined with a power game
Elite hockey IQ
Eye-hand for tip ins and garbage plays

Matty cons

Slow
Faceoffs probably

He would be better than Monahan because his hockey IQ and playmaking are better. Monahan is the perfect 2C.

Just thinking out loud. Tell me why this wouldn't work. I think Tkachuk and Lindholm could thrive in this setup. Plus we all know 1C and #19 go together like peanut butter and jam

Hall Tkachuk Lindholm
Mangiapane Monahan Dube
Lucic Backlund Ryan
Bennett Jankowski Phillips

Not really crushing the cap numbers but wondering if something like that could work. I think Monahan would do very well against lesser competition and I really believe in Dube and Mangiapane as top 6 options. Puts Backlund and Ryan together to create a true shutdown line. Bennett and Jankowski might have to be punted for cap reasons. In that case sub in two 700k vets.

[Lanny_McDonald]

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by New Era

Thanks for the well thought out response. Let me guess, Morgan Frost will fix the problem if only we can find a way to acquire him.

Did you even read the post or did you just read the title and decide to go fishing for thanks?

[Geeoff]

It worked great when Montreal tried this with Drouin lol

[Camronius]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Thanks for the well thought out response. Let me guess, Morgan Frost will fix the problem if only we can find a way to acquire him.

Did you even read the post or did you just read the title and decide to go fishing for thanks?

I think you're going to see similar responses. While some may agree with the problem you're seeing, Matty's not the answer. Like you said, 1C's don't grow on trees. Similarly plugging guys not best suited for the role doesn't solve your problem either.

Also... did Johnny get traded for Hall straight up, what am I missing?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Camronius

I think you're going to see similar responses. While some may agree with the problem your seeing, Matty's not the answer. Like you said, 1C's don't grow on trees. Similarly plugging guys not best suited for the role doesn't solve your problem either.



Also... did Johnny get traded for Hall straight up, what am I missing?

Johnny traded for futures, wasn't really digging deep into that.

Just find it funny the guy suggesting the worst Johnny proposals ever is the first to crap on it. Can't even be bothered to type out a response. It was pure trolling and added nothing.

[transplant99]

What you are suggesting is that the Flames dont have a true #1 C.

Your solution is to use a guy that is not a C at all....and make him the #1.

How does that make ANY sense?

Monahan is a good Center, may not be elite, but he certainly is a #1 and certainly is heads and shoulders a better fit for the position than Tkachuk...and MT is my favorite player in the entire league.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

It worked great when Montreal tried this with Drouin lol

Tkachuk is a miles better than Drouin at every aspect except speed.

Not sure what the lol is for or if it's really needed. Weird comparison between two different types of players.

[CroFlames]

Jarome Iginla was a special player and widely regarded as the best in the league at times. There was almost nothing he couldn't do.

Yet no one thought it was a good idea to make him a centerman.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by transplant99

What you are suggesting is that the Flames dont have a true #1 C.

Your solution is to use a guy that is not a C at all....and make him the #1.

How does that make ANY sense?

Monahan is a good Center, may not be elite, but he certainly is a #1 and certainly is heads and shoulders a better fit for the position than Tkachuk...and MT is my favorite player in the entire league.

Monahan isn't working in the role. Are we just going to keep trying the status quo year after year?

No one is giving me actual reasons why this can't work outside the fact he isn't currently a C. Did people not read the part where Lindholm and Tkachuk share responsibilities?

[edslunch]

Centers have very different responsibilities than wingers. Defensive role, face offs, etc. are things they’ve trained on their whole lives. You don’t just drop a winger, no matter how good, into the centre slot, let alone #1C. It’s just a bad idea

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Jarome Iginla was a special player and widely regarded as the best in the league at times. There was almost nothing he couldn't do.

Yet no one thought it was a good idea to make him a centerman.

Jarome also could score 40-50 from RW and wasn't as good a playmaker as Tkachuk imo. Tkachuk's two way game is better too. Iginla post lockout lost a lot of his two way game, so it wasn't really an option. I think there was some talk about it before iginla broke out in 2001.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Centers have very different responsibilities than wingers. Defensive role, face offs, etc. are things they’ve trained on their whole lives. You don’t just drop a winger, no matter how good, into the centre slot, let alone #1C. It’s just a bad idea

So let's just keep being a 90-95 point/first round fodder team then. Might as well keep going with what isn't working seeing as how there is no actual realistic way of acquiring a 1C for this team.

[ricardodw]

If Tkachuk skated better he would have been put as a centre much earlier at some point.

Tkachuk is kept off the PK as a basic rule for all the coaches he has had ever. Even Monahan has had more PK time.

If Monahan is on the team as the slow centres to go with him then you need 3 excellent skating Centres to balance things out.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Johnny traded for futures, wasn't really digging deep into that.

Just find it funny the guy suggesting the worst Johnny proposals ever is the first to crap on it. Can't even be bothered to type out a response. It was pure trolling and added nothing.

He suggested it's fitting a square peg in a round hole, why are you taking that personally and getting upset? That's exactly what it is.

Playing center in the NHL isn't something a player just decides to do. The great centers have done it their entire careers. It's more common to see guys who grew up playing center switch to the wing because they can't handle it at the NHL level, and you expect a winger to just slide into that role?

It just doesn't make any sense and is a poor solution to a problem.

The fact that you think Monahan isn't a 1C and that a winger would make a better 1C (and that New Era's trade proposals, while debatable, are "the worst ever") makes me question what you know about the game, quite frankly, because these aren't ideas consistent with the level of 'educated fan' you trot around. I'm all for wild proposals like this one to spur some discussion, but please tone down the condescending nonsense.

[Nammer403]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

So let's just keep being a 90-95 point/first round fodder team then. Might as well keep going with what isn't working seeing as how there is no actual realistic way of acquiring a 1C for this team.

we can make Lafrenière #1C if thats the case...

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

If Tkachuk skated better he would have been put as a centre much earlier at some point.



Tkachuk is kept off the PK as a basic rule for all the coaches he has had ever. Even Monahan has had more PK time.



If Monahan is on the team as the slow centres to go with him then you need 3 excellent skating Centres to balance things out.

Nice, an actual constructive response. Thanks for that, truly I think we are basically screwed until a 1C can be secured. We can't trade, draft or sign one so what do you do? I guess keep trying the same failing thing, over and over because those three options won't work and my idea is ridiculous. Should be fun watching this team bottom out over a 5-7 year stretch. Maybe a 1C will be ours around 2025-2027?

[Wastedyouth]

Lol, can hockey just start again?

People be getting borrrrrrrred and desperate for something to talk about.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

He suggested it's fitting a square peg in a round hole, why are you taking that personally and getting upset? That's exactly what it is.



Playing center in the NHL isn't something a player just decides to do. The great centers have done it their entire careers. It's more common to see guys who grew up playing center switch to the wing because they can't handle it at the NHL level, and you expect a winger to just slide into that role?



It just doesn't make any sense and is a poor solution to a problem.



The fact that you think Monahan isn't a 1C and that a winger would make a better 1C (and that New Era's trade proposals, while debatable, are "the worst ever") makes me question what you know about the game, quite frankly, because these aren't ideas consistent with the level of 'educated fan' you trot around. I'm all for wild proposals like this one to spur some discussion, but please tone down the condescending nonsense.

I'm just trying to stimulate discussion. A smarmy gif isn't that. You are just as condescending as anyone on this board, it's funny you bring that up.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I'm just trying to stimulate discussion. A smarmy gif isn't that. You are just as condescending as anyone on this board, it's funny you bring that up.

It was funny and not a big deal, this entire thread would read different had to not reacted that way.

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

So let's just keep being a 90-95 point/first round fodder team then. Might as well keep going with what isn't working seeing as how there is no actual realistic way of acquiring a 1C for this team.

That’s it then? I guess we’re doomed.