Daniel Carcillo and Sarnia teammates share OHL hazing experiences
Didn't see a thread for this yet, but I've read a few stomach-turning articles about Carcillo and his teammates' brutal hazing experiences with the Sarnia Sting:
"One of the most vivid memories that stands out is one of my teammates being taped to a table ass-up naked being whipped with his own belt by two veterans. He was screaming," Carcillo told CBC.
He said rookie players were often made to pull their pants down and subject themselves to beatings with a jagged goalie stick.
And that wasn't the worst of it. He recalls being stuffed into a bus washroom with six teammates.
"Forty-five minutes and being naked in a hot box having their tobacco-chew spit thrown through a vent at us. That was my breaking point," Carcillo remembers.
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In an interview with CBC News on Tuesday, Munce spoke of being spanked and hit over the head with the paddle of his goalie stick in the Sting dressing room, while fellow rookies were strapped to a table and beaten with belts and other items.
"I had more suicidal thoughts than anything else," he told reporter Ioanna Roumeliotis for The National. "These are supposed to be your friends; they're kind of your family."
"There was a lot of incidents that were kind of next-level," said Munce.
Other alleged incidents included:
A Jewish teammate being brought to tears by a teammate posing as Adolf Hitler.
A player being forced to put his penis in RUB A535, the muscle and joint heat cream.
Former teammates Charles Amodeo and Dave Pszenyczny also corroborated the stories of abuse.
"It just ruined me emotionally," Amodeo told The National in an interview Wednesday. "They're calling you every name in the book. Just really degrading who you are. And there was no justification behind it. It was a power trip.
"And if you said something, you opened your mouth, if you complained — you're pretty much on the next bus ride home."
15 years later, the world's a much different place and I don't doubt things aren't as bad now. but for this to even have happened in recent memory, in our civilized country, to kids in a top level league is just so gross.
Last edited by Inglewood Jack; 12-01-2018 at 07:06 AM.
Wow that’s just crazy, these guys are 15-16. That kind of stuff can leave an even bigger mark on kids whose brains aren’t full developed. Hockey culture has some very disturbing elements to it, this cannot just be an OHL issue.
This is why I never get into the hero worship during the world junior championships.
I know how many of these kids are bullies, misogynist's, and all of the rest of it. These aren't isolated incidents. It's part of a wider cultural issue. Toxic masculinity is huge in hockey.
All that being said, I do think things are slowly improving and I'm glad some much needed light is finally being shed on these issues.
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During that season, Carcillo contacted David Branch, commissioner of the OHL, telling him of the ongoing issues in the Sting’s locker-room. Branch was not available for comment Monday, but a spokesperson from the league said that Branch brought the issue to the attention of Sarnia’s ownership and management groups and began initiating harsh fines and penalties for teams that were caught hazing players.
In October 2005, Windsor Spitfires’ Moe Mantha was given a one-year suspension as general manager and 25 games as coach for a hazing incident involving several of his players. Then in 2009 the OHL’s board of governors developed the OHL Enforcement Program, designed to address and attempt to eliminate violations of the hazing rules and impose appropriate penalties if violations occur.
Jeff Perry, Sarnia’s head coach in 2002-03, says he was concerned for Carcillo and disappointed in his veteran players when he read Carcillo’s allegations this past weekend.
“Certainly it’s something that, at the time, we were unaware of. It’s nothing that the Sarnia Sting or the management group or the coaching staff would support or condone if those allegations were true,” Perry said. “Hard to make a formal comment, other than, obviously it’s affected Dan, who I think is a great young man, gone on to have a terrific career.
“Certainly it’s concerning to hear that these events possibly took place.”
When I was in high school I knew of a thing called the "cookie game" among the rep AAA guys. Gross.
And it's total BS that coaches and management don't know about it. They always do, but just don't do anything about it. Glad the culture is changing and this behavior is no longer acceptable as some of these stories are sickening
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Doesnt surprise me. As disturbing as it is i've been on teams and know of teams where worse has happenned.
But why are members of the team ok with that? How long ago? I keep hoping crap like this no longer happens. Why didnt you and members of the team step up and stop it? I'm not blaming you - just trying to understand how this is acceptable and why teammates think it is a good idea. Seems it can only hurt the team to me.
Hockey teammates are supposed to be family. If I did anything even remotely similar to this to my kids, I would be in jail!
I'd be 100 degrees of surprised if Carcillo went straight to the commissioner without ever bringing it up with the coaching staff /eyeroll. Hope for Perry's sake that wasn't a bold faced lie right there
“Certainly it’s concerning to hear that these events possibly took place.”
Possibly? So you're calling Carcillo and his teammates brave enough to step forward and speak of these atrocities, liars?
Or just possibly liars? Give me a break.
This coach knew full well what was going on with his team and did nothing. Scum.
How does a coach not know this kind of activity is going on or catch any wind of it?
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I don't know why Jeff Perry has decided to get ahead of this trying to paint himself as naive to all of this.
First off, I don't believe it one bit.
Secondly, if you were that apathetic to what was happening on your bus and in your dressing room then you were unfit to be coaching teenagers.
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Perry said, that at the time, they were unaware of the alleged incidents.
“There are certain areas of a dressing room that we don’t monitor, it’s no different than riding the bus,” said Perry. “I know people think you’re on the bus, how could you not be aware of it. When you sit at the front of the bus, you’ve got movies on. Unless you’ve been in that situation, you’d understand that they’re easy things that you wouldn’t be aware of if it wasn’t brought to your attention.”
This is the toughest part to believe. How 6 kids can be trapped in a bus washroom and none of the coaches, trainers, media guys, nor the bus driver noticed any commotion over it? I don't buy it.
This is either dismissed as 'boys will be boys' or you and every adult on the bus are astonishingly oblivious.
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But why are members of the team ok with that? How long ago? I keep hoping crap like this no longer happens. Why didnt you and members of the team step up and stop it? I'm not blaming you - just trying to understand how this is acceptable and why teammates think it is a good idea. Seems it can only hurt the team to me.
Hockey teammates are supposed to be family. If I did anything even remotely similar to this to my kids, I would be in jail!
We are talking about 18 years ago and it doesnt happen on all teams , let's be perfectly clear on that. Its usually one or two bad apples that keeps these things going and take it to new extremes. There was one incident I will not get into details about but that caused 2 players to get kicked off the team (They just went and played for another team). I really hope things are different now, from what I can tell they are.
The only thing that saved me from "the shave" was me having a hockey stick in my hands and threatening any idiot who was dumb enough to come near me. Hazing is stupid, it's always been stupid.
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This is why I never get into the hero worship during the world junior championships.
I know how many of these kids are bullies, misogynist's, and all of the rest of it. These aren't isolated incidents. It's part of a wider cultural issue. Toxic masculinity is huge in hockey.
All that being said, I do think things are slowly improving and I'm glad some much needed light is finally being shed on these issues.
Actually from my experience the players good enough to make the NHL or a Canadian National team are almost across the board good people who are super dedicated and DONT do this kind of stuff.
It’s the overagers with little professional aspirations who do pretty much all of the hazing and bullying.
You don’t actualky think the Crosby’s, McDavid’s, Mackinnons etc were doing this stuff in junior right? They were way too busy working on their game and that’s why they are so good
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Daniel Carcillo and Sarnia teammates share OHL hazing experiences
