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longsuffering · 10-07-2005, 05:37 AM

God help us all if this is true.

The Independent

Cheese · 10-07-2005, 06:07 AM

President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.

LOL...and this makes his decision better than Osama's, or Israel vs the Palestine's? Hypocritical a wee bit?

When will man learn that...

- Religion and Politics do NOT mix....EVER!
- Religion is a lie meant to control the masses.

Further to that....when will people wake up and tell their politicians that..no..uh uh.. Im not going to go and fight your holy wars anymore! Time for some 60s/70s style peace rallies again. Hippies unite!

Displaced Flames fan · 10-07-2005, 06:09 AM

Most Christians feel they are moved to action by their faith and God. It doesn't necessarily mean they meet him at Starbucks for a latte and discuss matters. It also doesn't mean they believe they actually have a pipeline for verbalization with their God. It's more likely that it means that the morality they possess is attributed by them to be derived from their faith. I would wager that Bush isn't the first President to use this kind of verbage, but he's probably the first to be demonized over it. As a matter of fact, if you look hard enough I'll bet you can find leaders from nearly every industrialized nation who have said similar things in the past. Try too look past the literal, I know it's tough for someone with blinders on but you can probably manage it.

By the way, this has been discussed in this forum before. Old news.

transplant99 · 10-07-2005, 06:17 AM

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Originally posted by longsuffering@Oct 7 2005, 07:37 AM
God help us all if this is true.

The Independent

Who do you think that billions of people that pray every day are talking to?

Why is he any different?

Frank the Tank · 10-07-2005, 07:04 AM

Ah religion, why do I hate thee so? Bushs' statement in of itself is just so non-sensical. What kind of god tells him to go to war? What kind of god is that? Seriously! Think about it!! Oh wait, that won't happen....

CaramonLS · 10-07-2005, 07:48 AM

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Originally posted by transplant99@Oct 7 2005, 12:17 PM
Who do you think that billions of people that pray every day are talking to?

Why is he any different?

God doesn't tell me to start wars.

Cowperson · 10-07-2005, 07:51 AM

Although I'm a supporter of the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, they are pretty much the only policies of Bush's I support. I don't like faith-based policy making. I don't like leaders who are openly religious and I would say that's probably a common opinion of ordinary citizens in most western democracies.

However, you would have to admit, in the USA these days, a drift towards faith-based policy making does reflect to some extent the increasing religious fervor of the nation. Its not as though religion isn't important in the lives of ordinary people in other nations - its that they don't commonly elect people so overtly religious in their policy-making.

Cowperson

transplant99 · 10-07-2005, 07:57 AM

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Originally posted by CaramonLS@Oct 7 2005, 09:48 AM
God doesn't tell me to start wars.

That's nice. Of course you couldnt do it even if you were given such a direction.

The guy is clearly comfortable in making his decisions based on his faith and beliefs. That was never a secret, yet he was re-elected.

Rightly or wrongly, his policies and choices are going to be influenced by his beliefs in God.

Its not like the majority of the entire middle-east leaders (and others all around the world) are in any way different, other than the "god" they choose to believe in.

ricosuave · 10-07-2005, 08:21 AM

god told me to reply to this post, so i did.

StoneCole · 10-07-2005, 08:24 AM

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Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Oct 7 2005, 12:09 PM
Most Christians feel they are moved to action by their faith and God. It doesn't necessarily mean they meet him at Starbucks for a latte and discuss matters. It also doesn't mean they believe they actually have a pipeline for verbalization with their God. It's more likely that it means that the morality they possess is attributed by them to be derived from their faith. I would wager that Bush isn't the first President to use this kind of verbage, but he's probably the first to be demonized over it. As a matter of fact, if you look hard enough I'll bet you can find leaders from nearly every industrialized nation who have said similar things in the past. Try too look past the literal, I know it's tough for someone with blinders on but you can probably manage it.

By the way, this has been discussed in this forum before. Old news.

Well said. This was gonna' be my point, that Bush didn't literally mean that God talked to him. It's not like that time when Sean Gilbert told the Carolina Panthers that God had told him he couldn't play for less than $10 Million a season.

StoneCole · 10-07-2005, 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by Cowperson@Oct 7 2005, 01:51 PM
Although I'm a supporter of the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, they are pretty much the only policies of Bush's I support. I don't like faith-based policy making. I don't like leaders who are openly religious and I would say that's probably a common opinion of ordinary citizens in most western democracies.

Wow...I think most people, or at least the trendy ones, are of the opinion that they are ok with most of Bush's policies, just that they don't support the war (because Rock & Roll told them to). Interesting point of view, Cow.

Cheese · 10-07-2005, 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by transplant99@Oct 7 2005, 09:57 AM
That's nice. Of course you couldnt do it even if you were given such a direction.

The guy is clearly comfortable in making his decisions based on his faith and beliefs. That was never a secret, yet he was re-elected.

Rightly or wrongly, his policies and choices are going to be influenced by his beliefs in God.

Its not like the majority of the entire middle-east leaders (and others all around the world) are in any way different, other than the "god" they choose to believe in.

The Fact that hes a religious man isnt under question...everyone knows that. He eeked out a victory over the villainous Liberals or Democrats in the last elections, you would think he would like to appease those people by not referring to things that are against their very nature.

Cowperson · 10-07-2005, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by Cheese@Oct 7 2005, 07:59 AM
The Fact that hes a religious man isnt under question...everyone knows that. He eeked out a victory over the villainous Liberals or Democrats in the last elections, you would think he would like to appease those people by not referring to things that are against their very nature.

I don't know about that . . . . by the end of the campaign, Bush had practically forced John Kerry to start using God in every speech, something the latter was clearly uncomfortable with.

That's the way the American public is leaning of late.

That's the mood of the electorate . . . . in Canada, we're clearly different. We'd prefer our politicians keep their religion to themselves.

Cowperson

Bill Bumface · 10-07-2005, 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by ricosuave@Oct 7 2005, 08:21 AM
god told me to reply to this post, so i did.

God hates black people

troutman · 10-07-2005, 09:29 AM

Would it bother you if your leader said he based his decisions on the philosophies of Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy?

Cowperson · 10-07-2005, 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by troutman@Oct 7 2005, 08:29 AM
Would it bother you if your leader said he based his decisions on the philosophies of Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy?

Why don't you tell me what the philosophies of the tooth fairy, easter bunny and Santa Claus are and I'll tell you if it would bother me.

Cowperson

Cheese · 10-07-2005, 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by troutman@Oct 7 2005, 11:29 AM
Would it bother you if your leader said he based his decisions on the philosophies of Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy?

LOL...well all of them fall into the exact same realm as any of the religious gods...so take it from there!

Fozzie_DeBear · 10-07-2005, 10:10 AM

The question I have is...

"Does god have as tough a time understanding Bush's speeches as we do?"
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JOSEX LIVE

Bertuzzied · 10-07-2005, 10:11 AM

What if God tells Bush to invade Canada and the Oil Sands next? we are toast. I'm hiding out in Edmonton. Even he's not stupid enough to go into that hole.

Agamemnon · 10-07-2005, 10:29 AM

Do God's words to Bush trump Jesus' words in the Bible? Just wondering...