10-04-2018, 10:13 AM
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Calgary Flames Foundation announced a $1 million donation to the Children's Hospital
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The Calgary Flames Foundation announced a gift of $1 million to the Alberta Children's Hospital Foundation in support of enhanced programs and respite care at Rotary Flames House - the pediatric hospice they helped to open almost ten years ago.
Rotary Flames House is the only pediatric hospice in Alberta and one of only six in Canada. In addition to offering end-of-life and palliative care for children, Rotary Flames House offers a wide range of day programs and respite services for families caring for children with complex, life-limiting conditions.
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https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/flam...se/c-300626814
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10-04-2018, 10:17 AM
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We don't want to gift the Flames a new arena but along with the on-ice product they do a lot around the community and drive morale throughout Southern Alberta. We don't want to lose that if they were to relocate.
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10-04-2018, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by pepper24
We don't want to gift the Flames a new arena but along with the on-ice product they do a lot around the community and drive morale throughout Southern Alberta. We don't want to lose that if they were to relocate.
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The return they're asking for on their community investment is like 10 to 1. So it would be better to just get the taxpayer to give to these organizations. Charitable donations are great, trying to emotionally leverage them for massive handouts isn't so great.
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10-04-2018, 10:29 AM
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Nice power pay Flames. Good on ya.
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10-04-2018, 10:46 AM
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They should have to donate for every loss to the Canucks and Oilers.
Seriously though, more solid work by the foundation.
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10-04-2018, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by nik-
The return they're asking for on their community investment is like 10 to 1. So it would be better to just get the taxpayer to give to these organizations. Charitable donations are great, trying to emotionally leverage them for massive handouts isn't so great.
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Not to get too cynical, because there is definite value to having someone initiate and drive support towards these causes, but I'd be curious to know much of the Flames Foundation money is made up from individuals who just donate to it, and how much it is from the Flames themselves. It's a win for charities either way, but do the Flames make up the vast majority of the donated funds, or are they just the middleman taking all the credit?
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10-04-2018, 11:14 AM
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I think a big part of what helps make them successful is who they are. Adding the Flames name to a event gives it that much more visibility and reach. I am just guessing, but I would imagine the poker tournament with the Flames make more than the one with Stampeders.
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10-04-2018, 11:28 AM
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In fairness, I believe this is a stipulated clause as part of their rent.
$1/year to the City.
$1M/year to Charity.
They gave the money to a Provincially run medical facility rather than a locally run charity. 
Alright. Its still a very awesome thing for them to do and I'll attempt to tone down my cynicism for a bit.
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10-04-2018, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Table 5
Not to get too cynical, because there is definite value to having someone initiate and drive support towards these causes, but I'd be curious to know much of the Flames Foundation money is made up from individuals who just donate to it, and how much it is from the Flames themselves. It's a win for charities either way, but do the Flames make up the vast majority of the donated funds, or are they just the middleman taking all the credit?
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I don't think it makes a lick of difference. Your assuming if they are only doing the fund raising, that the funds they raised would have been donated to causes if the flames weren't fund raising. At the end of the day, regardless of where the dollar bills actually come from, there are some kids out there that are benefiting from getting that money. That's the only thing that matters, in my opinion at least.
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10-04-2018, 04:30 PM
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The Flames have always been very generous to local charities. Their alumni has been one of the best, if not THE best, in the league. Off the ice the Flames are an exemplary organization when it comes to giving back to the community.
This should be kept separate from the arena stuff because it is.
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10-04-2018, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke
In fairness, I believe this is a stipulated clause as part of their rent.
$1/year to the City.
$1M/year to Charity.
They gave the money to a Provincially run medical facility rather than a locally run charity.
Alright. Its still a very awesome thing for them to do and I'll attempt to tone down my cynicism for a bit. |
What are you basing this upon?
This is not correct.
If you are referring to the Saddledome Foundation, that is a completely different entity, with different funds and fundraising.
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10-04-2018, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FlamesFanTrev
At the end of the day, regardless of where the dollar bills actually come from, there are some kids out there that are benefiting from getting that money. That's the only thing that matters, in my opinion at least.
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At the basic level I agree with you, but when the charity work is being leveraged in the media as a reason to give them a massive subsidy, I think it's a fair question to ask.
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10-04-2018, 05:17 PM
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Yeah let's turn a thread about a substantial donation to the Children's Hospital into another arena argument. Good idea!
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10-04-2018, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Table 5
At the basic level I agree with you, but when the charity work is being leveraged in the media as a reason to give them a massive subsidy, I think it's a fair question to ask.
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But it's not being leveraged in the media as a reason to give them a massive subsidy, it was a long-planned donation to better our community.
Not everything has ulterior motives.
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10-04-2018, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing
What are you basing this upon?
This is not correct.
If you are referring to the Saddledome Foundation, that is a completely different entity, with different funds and fundraising.
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Then enlighten us.
What do the Flames pay in rent to the City of Calgary for use of the Saddledome?
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10-04-2018, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke
Then enlighten us.
What do the Flames pay in rent to the City of Calgary for use of the Saddledome?
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You are confusing two separate issues.
You stated this donation was required pursuant to a lease agreement for use of the Saddledome.
It’s not.
This donation has nothing to do with the rent issue itself.
Just enjoy something good the Foundation has done.
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10-04-2018, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Hey Connor, It's Mess
Yeah let's turn a thread about a substantial donation to the Children's Hospital into another arena argument. Good idea!
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It's only fair game when King brings it up to garner support for arena money I guess. We can't point that out if it's not positive.
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