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Bingo · 08-03-2018, 04:55 PM

Still can't get my head around the Calgary view of management in the Athletic piece so I'm going to use the fact that it's August to launch a quick topic for every section in that piece along with a poll.

Not very concerned about how confident Torontonians are in Calgary's management but I'm dying to see the Calgarypuck version.

Poll One - Cap Management

1 - low
5- high

Jacks · 08-03-2018, 05:55 PM

Would have voted 5 if it wasn't for so much dead cap space from bad signings. They have done a great job getting the core players locked into decent contracts though so overall very good.

mrdonkey · 08-03-2018, 07:01 PM

This is one area the Flames have done quite well in. Core locked into very friendly deals and no big woofers. Hard to give them a 5 because of the Brouwer situation, and we’ll have to wait and see on Gio and Neal in a few years but there are no huge mistakes on this roster as it stands now.

Flashpoint · 08-03-2018, 07:08 PM

Gave them a 5 - it's the one area they have excelled at.

Johnny and Mohnny at below market. When mistakes are made, they are bought out. We cut loose players who don't fit in the structure (Kulak), and seem to run a well organized and tight ship when it comes to Cap management.

flame^thrower · 08-03-2018, 07:27 PM

I feel really confident in management when it comes to cap .. Tre is, afterall, a wizard!

Macho0978 · 08-03-2018, 07:39 PM

If Treliving does well with the Hanifin and Tkachuk deals (I assume he will) imo this is Treliving and the Flames strength. Moving forward they are set up as good if not better than any team in the NHL. To have 0 7 million dollar players for 4 years when there are already 45 guys making 7 mil and Johnny is the 49th highest paid player in the league hard to argue they aren’t set up as good as anyone

This doesn’t include guys like seguin karlsson couture panarin laine Mathews marner that all next year probably get more money than any Flame.

The Flames could be set up for a 5 year run maybe starting this year

Parallex · 08-03-2018, 07:52 PM

To much bad money sitting around to rate highly.

Cali Panthers Fan · 08-03-2018, 09:06 PM

Cap management is one of the best in the league. The only blemish I can think of is the buyouts, but some of them were a little unexpected (i.e. Brouwer), but getting players below their market value on a regular basis is a rare skill to have.

bubbsy · 08-03-2018, 09:16 PM

Gave it a 3 trending to a 4.

None of the top players over 7-8 million should allow for a strongly balanced roster for the next few years.

Lanny_McDonald · 08-03-2018, 09:19 PM

4. Treliving and Company do a good job. A few minor mistakes along the way, but for the most part this is the strength of the management team.

Enoch Root · 08-03-2018, 10:04 PM

So many great long-term contracts.

Every team has a couple players that don't work out, but you have to rate cap management in the aggregate. And overall, the Flames are in fantastic shape. Definitely a 5.

Macindoc · 08-03-2018, 11:17 PM

Good RFA deals but lots of bad UFA signings leading to a significantly above average amount of dead cap space.

Textcritic · 08-03-2018, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Macindoc

Good RFA deals but lots of bad UFA signings leading to a significantly above average amount of dead cap space.

Is it really "significantly above average"? This begs the question: what exactly is an average amount of "dead cap space"?

Especially since I am highly sceptical that the Flames are all that far from it.

Macindoc · 08-04-2018, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Is it really "significantly above average"? This begs the question: what exactly is an average amount of "dead cap space"?

Especially since I am highly sceptical that the Flames are all that far from it.

I guess it depends on how you define "significant". Compiled from each team's numbers on Capfriendly, average for the league this coming season will be approximately 1.3M per team (excluding Vegas for obvious reasons). The Flames, at 2.4M, are 85% above average. On the other hand, they are only 1.1M above average. In addition, they have no retained salary, so they are below average in that respect.

Strange Brew · 08-04-2018, 12:40 AM

Every team’s buyout money is on Cap Friendly. Flames are high. In fact I looked at about 8 teams and all were lower than Flames $2.4 million.

I put Flames above average for cap management. Some favorable contracts, no single awful contract but a propensity to overpay for middle and lower roster players in both dollars and term limits their flexibility.

getbak · 08-04-2018, 03:38 AM

If you include buried money, retained salary, buyouts, and any other dead money except LTIR, the Flames have the 10th most "dead money" going into this season. 14 teams have at least $2 million in dead money, so the Flames aren't really at a significant disadvantage in that regard.

Besides, the Flames would have had less dead money if they hadn't bought out Brouwer, but then they'd have him taking up a roster spot and $4.5 million in cap space. I'd say that's a net positive even with the dead money.

ricardodw · 08-04-2018, 08:49 AM

Just using the high level view. One of the worst performing teams that is spending close to the cap over the last 5 years. (22nd best record in the league)

I don't have time or inclination to follow up but I would guess that the Flames have bottom 3-4 standing pts over Cap spending ratio in the league... Better than Edmonton, but that is not saying a lot.

Strange Brew · 08-04-2018, 09:53 AM

Buyouts and retained salary are very different. I would not equate the two in terms of evaluating a GM’s performance.

Bingo · 08-04-2018, 10:54 AM

The single biggest focus on cap management should be contracts on their core players as they are the life blood and Treliving has been almost Lamourello like in getting key players in under market.

Part of that comes with timing too as Giordano, Gaudreau and Monahan all got done before McDavid and Draisaitl's contracts mucked the league up.

His UFAs have kept him from being a 4 in my mind, as well as a reluctance to let the bottom half of his roster go modern (cheap) to keep the top half rolling in today's NHL. I get the Stone contract in that an injury means you have a guy that can play top four, but I think that cost them up front last year in terms of dollar allocations.

3 vs 4 went 3

the2bears · 08-04-2018, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Buyouts and retained salary are very different. I would not equate the two in terms of evaluating a GM’s performance.

If not, then you need to evaluate them on both types of dead money? They're not the same thing, but in both cases cap space is used to help move a player off the roster. Seems comparable enough to evaluate them together.