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Bingo · 08-03-2018, 04:57 PM

Still can't get my head around the Calgary view of management in the Athletic piece so I'm going to use the fact that it's August to launch a quick topic for every section in that piece along with a poll.

Not very concerned about how confident Torontonians are in Calgary's management but I'm dying to see the Calgarypuck version.

Poll One - Draft/Develop

1 - low
5- high

Geeoff · 08-03-2018, 05:03 PM

I'd say 4 for drafting and 3 for development, so I'll just split the difference and round up and say 4 :P

Reggie Dunlop · 08-03-2018, 05:15 PM

Decent job on both fronts. Waiting for some of Treliving's draft picks (outside of the first rounders) to start making their mark.

Dion · 08-03-2018, 05:25 PM

I think the team has done a good job of drafting since Tre took over as GM.

My only knock is the drafting of Bennett. Agree that it's still too early to write him off but at the same time I am a bit worried about his development.

dammage79 · 08-03-2018, 05:32 PM

A 3. Sometimes I feel like they're misreading momentum for some players. Goaltending still seems to be an issue worth looking deeper into.

End of the day though, player development is mostly on the player and all the organization can do is read the tea leaves properly.

Party Elephant · 08-03-2018, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

I think the team has done a good job of drafting since Tre took over as GM.

My only knock is the drafting of Bennett. Agree that it's still too early to write him off but at the same time I am a bit worried about his development.

That's the hindsight talking though. There's not a single GM in the league that would have taken Pastrnak, Arvidsson, Larkin, Nylander or Ehlers at 4.

Jacks · 08-03-2018, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

My only knock is the drafting of Bennett. Agree that it's still too early to write him off but at the same time I am a bit worried about his development.

The only way they weren't taking Bennett at #4 is if they had traded down. The next highest ranked player by far was Dal Colle and he has been a total bust.

iloveicedhockey · 08-03-2018, 06:01 PM

I particularly like the late picks, like mangiapane and Philips.

saXon · 08-03-2018, 06:15 PM

I'm still haunted by the later half of the 90's and all of the 2000's.

Hard to give anything more than a 3

Textcritic · 08-03-2018, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by saXon

I'm still haunted by the later half of the 90's and all of the 2000's.

Hard to give anything more than a 3

So, current management is graded on the basis of your memories of long past management?

That is just weird.

Flashpoint · 08-03-2018, 06:43 PM

Good prospects in the pipe by all accounts, especially recently. So drafting seems good.

Development - sent Janko down so they could keep Glass. Keeping Brouwer and Stajan locked in for positions once we were out of the playoffs rather than playing the holy hell out of Mangiapane, Foo, etc. when the season didn't matter anyway. Part of that is due to Gully's "overloyalty" but the GM should have stepped in when the writing was on the wall.

Went with a 3.

flame^thrower · 08-03-2018, 07:35 PM

I voted a 3 and that's because they have gotten better. Man, go back to the dark years .. wtf?????? I remember being excited about some of those prospects! *shudder*

Parallex · 08-03-2018, 07:51 PM

Like what he does at the draft table mostly. He's been depleting the draft pick currency but does well with what he has. Consistantly finds good gambles in the later rounds.

Macindoc · 08-03-2018, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

I think the team has done a good job of drafting since Tre took over as GM.

My only knock is the drafting of Bennett. Agree that it's still too early to write him off but at the same time I am a bit worried about his development.

Bennett was the top ranked North American skater on Central Scouting's mid-term and final reports in 2014, above Ekblad, Reinhart and Draisaitl. When he remained available at #4, there would have been a lynching if they had not taken him there.

I suppose that in hindsight his failure to do a single pull-up at the combine could have raised suspicions about the labral tear later discovered in his shoulder, but the team's medical staff would probably not have had the opportunity to examine him prior to the draft. Having said that, he continued to train and play until this problem got bad enough to be identified, so a lot less time would have been wasted in his development if this problem had been identified and treated in a more timely fashion.

Macindoc · 08-03-2018, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Parallex

Like what he does at the draft table mostly. He's been depleting the draft pick currency but does well with what he has. Consistantly finds good gambles in the later rounds.

This is usually the best strategy in the later rounds, identifying players with warts that have the potential to be overcome and a high ceiling. A player with a 5% chance of being an impact player in the NHL is a better choice in the 6th round than another player that has a 90% chance of being a tweener.

Itse · 08-03-2018, 08:27 PM

They've been trading away too many high draft picks. Not sure which category to put that in, but I'm putting it here. Sure they've gotten some value out of them, but not enough. That to me is a ticket to mediocrity.

GioforPM · 08-03-2018, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Itse

They've been trading away too many high draft picks. Not sure which category to put that in, but I'm putting it here. Sure they've gotten some value out of them, but not enough. That to me is a ticket to mediocrity.

What "high" draft picks? Do you mean any first rounder? To me, a high draft pick is 10 or above. Those are the blue chippers.

Itse · 08-03-2018, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

What "high" draft picks? Do you mean any first rounder? To me, a high draft pick is 10 or above. Those are the blue chippers.

1st and 2nd are high. 5th and below are low.

IMO one the best long term strategies to guarantee your team wallow in mediocrity is to trade away a lot of draft picks. Pretty much by definition you never get as high value as its possible to get from a draft pick, but you rarely completely strike out either. This is especially true on the cap world, where young stars on ELCs are an invaluable edge you just can't get otherwise.

So by trading away draft picks you gain certainty of some success, but lose the possibility of a lot of success.

bubbsy · 08-03-2018, 08:50 PM

I gave it a 2, close to a 3.

The handling of Bennett is my biggest beef. Outside of the no-brainers (Gaudreau, Monahan, tkatchuk) I'm still waiting on a top6 forward, top4 dman, starting goalie drafted and developed by this team.

Mass_nerder · 08-03-2018, 08:52 PM

I'm optimistic and went with 4.
I think they've done a good job finding guys outside of the first round who look like they might be players. It's tough to really feel confident with any rating in terms of development though, since a lot of these players are on the verge, but not quite there yet.