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Heavy Jack · 08-02-2018, 06:14 AM

So what do you guys think?

Do we buyout Brouwer?

Do we buyout someone else?

Do we buyout no one?

Poll maybe?

devo22 · 08-02-2018, 06:21 AM

and so the waiting begins ...

GGG · 08-02-2018, 06:45 AM

Do you think they always had a deal with Hathaway and just waited to announce it to get as much time to negotiate with Hanafin?

Before the buyout of Brower if that is the path forward they need to have a deal with Hannifan. They have effectively forced him into an arbitration scenario where he has two days to choose or his options decrease.

This should prevent a Gaudreau situation as both sides have a deadline in two days.

flame^thrower · 08-02-2018, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GGG

Do you think they always had a deal with Hathaway and just waited to announce it to get as much time to negotiate with Hanafin?

Before the buyout of Brower if that is the path forward they need to have a deal with Hannifan. They have effectively forced him into an arbitration scenario where he has two days to choose or his options decrease.

This should prevent a Gaudreau situation as both sides have a deadline in two days.

Um ... lol

Edit, I know it's early

GranteedEV · 08-02-2018, 06:48 AM

I predict no buyout.

Need to minimize the term in the Brouwer situation. Too much volatility in contracts like Tkachuk, Hanifin, Brodie, Bennett, Jankowski, Hamonic to be impatient here.

Also buying out a lesser player like Prout or Hathaway would be a waste of cap space when you could bury them in the A.

GGG · 08-02-2018, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by flame^thrower

Um ... lol

Edit, I know it's early

My phone doesn’t know how to spell it yet and it’s in charge on the train

The Hendog · 08-02-2018, 07:22 AM

Buyout Brouwer

Only one extra year on the cap if you don't buy him out this year but buy him out next year and with the cap continuing to go up, hopefully $1.5 million is nothing in that 4th year.

Gives Tre some more cap space for this season which is handy if the Flames wanted to make an acquisition at the trade deadline etc. or if we incur injuries and need to bring in a new body. Plus more space on the roster for someone who I think will be better than Brouwer whether that be Lazar, Czarnik, Dube, Mangipane etc. all better options in my opinion.

Time to cut ties and move on.

flambers · 08-02-2018, 07:22 AM

Its one year to early, Flames most likely will buy out Brouwer next summer in my opinion.

This year the buyout if it occurred would place a 1.5m cap hit on the books for 4 years.

Lil Pedro · 08-02-2018, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by flambers

its one year to early, flames most likely will buy out brouwer next summer in my opinion.

This year the buyout if it occurred would place a 1.5m cap hit on the books for 4 years.

edit: Nm

flambers · 08-02-2018, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

But if you buy him out next summer he's still a cap hit for that year, plus another two. IMO they either buy him out now, or they just hold onto him/trade him (if possible) until his contract expires.

I don't believe it works that way,

If the Flames were to buy him out next summer the cap hit associated to Brouwer for 2019-2020 season is $1.5m per season for two years.

If he was bought out today, the cap hit for 2018-2019 season is $1.5m per season for four years.

Geeoff · 08-02-2018, 07:41 AM

I think the question you have to ask is, is Brouwer one of the 13 best Flames forwards? If he isn't, then you have to move on from him IMO.

That being said, I think the Flames will keep him. As a whole, I think the Flames organization likes Brouwer. He wears a letter and they did pay him like twice what he was worth in free agency.

Lil Pedro · 08-02-2018, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by flambers

I don't believe it works that way,

If the Flames were to buy him out next summer the cap hit associated to Brouwer for 2019-2020 season is $1.5m per season for two years.

If he was bought out today, the cap hit for 2018-2019 season is $1.5m per season for four years.

Ahh you're right, my bad

Poe969 · 08-02-2018, 07:53 AM

I would offer him to every team at 50% plus a 5th for a 4th.

Scroopy Noopers · 08-02-2018, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

I would offer him to every team at 50% plus a 5th for a 4th.

I’d offer that for “future considerations”. And those futures would still lean to the team who took Brouwer.

Imported_Aussie · 08-02-2018, 08:20 AM

At best, Brouwer is the 7th best winger on this roster, so on the 4th line and PK. At worst, he is jumped by young guys and is the 13/14th forward, stepping in for injuries.
It's clear he needs to move on, but I feel if there was a deal with salary retained, he would be gone already.

That all being said, since he is still an NHL capable player, you only buyout if painted into a corner.
Stone could be traded, as teams always look for depth on D, but he is one of the few capable PK guys we have.
Hanifin could be bridged, but there is risk either way with good deal. Long term ties up money that he doesn't yet love up to, in order to save more later. Bridge risks deferring more cap hit to later, after Tkachuk's raise. That all being said, a 2 year bridge takes Hanifin to expiry at same time as Brodie, Stone and Hamonic. That would allow a restructure on D depending on which prospects have made the grade.

Essentially it boils down to this: keeping Brouwer is paying your depth forward 4.5M for 2 years, and buying out is paying 2.35M for 4 years (buyout plus cheap player). Do the flames need cap now, knowing they will be limited for 4 years, or ride out the pain on this deal?

PugnaciousIntern · 08-02-2018, 08:22 AM

I think it would be a (small) mistake to buyout this year. Tkachuk and goalies are the contracts to really care about. Bridge Hanifin, keep Brouwer until next year. 1.5mil will indeed be a small fraction of the total cap and even less after the expected cap increase, but for example there is ~63.4mil already committed in contracts for the 19-20 season (not including whatever Hanifin will sign for). That 1.5mil, plus the discount for a bridge contract, will be quite valuable moving forwards in 20-21.

Of course, this is all moot if BT can swing one of his wizard RFA deals and get him long term.

Finger Cookin · 08-02-2018, 08:29 AM

Waivers
A player can only be bought out after clearing unconditional waivers. A waiver-claim by another team preempts the buyout process. If a player has a no-movement clause, the player can reject the option of waivers and proceed to the buyout process.

As getback pointed out in the Hathaway thread, we should have an idea about any buyout after 10 AM today if anyone is placed on waivers.

GGG · 08-02-2018, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

I think it would be a (small) mistake to buyout this year. Tkachuk and goalies are the contracts to really care about. Bridge Hanifin, keep Brouwer until next year. 1.5mil will indeed be a small fraction of the total cap and even less after the expected cap increase, but for example there is ~63.4mil already committed in contracts for the 19-20 season (not including whatever Hanifin will sign for). That 1.5mil, plus the discount for a bridge contract, will be quite valuable moving forwards in 20-21.

Of course, this is all moot if BT can swing one of his wizard RFA deals and get him long term.

Lets say Hanifin gets a 2 year bridge at 4 million then he develops and is worth 6 million at the end of the deal vs say 6yr 5.5 long term today. If you had to buy out Brouwer to do it you would pay Hanifin, Brouwer and the fourth liner 7.75 million for 4 years than 6.25 million for the last 2.

If you bridge Hanifin and keep Brouwer for two years you pay 8.5 million for two years then 6.75 million for 4 years.

So either way is within 1 million dollars of cap space in any of the years. The big win would be finding a way to long term with Hanifin at 5.3 only carry 13 forwards and run with no cap space.

GranteedEV · 08-02-2018, 08:39 AM

IMo the best-case scenario from a cap perspective is to eat year 3 of brouwer's deal with him on the 4th line, and then find a taker for year 4 on a retained-salary trade.

Stanley · 08-02-2018, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Geeoff

I think the question you have to ask is, is Brouwer one of the 13 best Flames forwards? If he isn't, then you have to move on from him IMO.

That being said, I think the Flames will keep him. As a whole, I think the Flames organization likes Brouwer. He wears a letter and they did pay him like twice what he was worth in free agency.

He better not be wearing a damn letter on his jersey this upcoming season...
Why the F did they ever take it away from Backlund anyways?!