[Signing] Flames sign Hathaway (1 yr, $850k, 1 way). 2nd Buyout window opens Aug 2 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

sureLoss · 07-30-2018, 07:01 AM

https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/flam...?tid=282300716

Team avoids the arbitration hearing today.

unsigned RFAs left: Hanifin, Shinkaruk

because this was their last salary arb case, the 2nd buyout window opens 3 days from now for 48 hours

the_only_turek_fan · 07-30-2018, 07:09 AM

See you later Troy Brouwer.

PugnaciousIntern · 07-30-2018, 07:25 AM

I personally won’t be surprised if Hanifin gets a bridge deal.

But, it’s always best to negotiate with all options, and unless Brouwer is bought out, a long term deal is likely not practical.

I assume Hanifin’s contract will be signed next week one way or another, given that the decision to act on the buy-out is dependent on what kind of contract you are anticipating from Hanifin.

Imported_Aussie · 07-30-2018, 07:26 AM

Buyout of Brouwer + Hathaway (most direct replacement player, right handed RW) = 2.35M
If that amount is the difference between a bridge for Hanifin and a long term deal, or saves money on a long term deal, have to buy him out

E.g Hanifin at 2.8M and Brouwer at 4.5M (7.3M) or Hanifin at 4.9M buyout at 1.5M and Hathway at 0.85M (7.25M)

Moneyhands23 · 07-30-2018, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

Buyout of Brouwer + Hathaway (most direct replacement player, right handed RW) = 2.35M
If that amount is the difference between a bridge for Hanifin and a long term deal, or saves money on a long term deal, have to buy him out

E.g Hanifin at 2.8M and Brouwer at 4.5M (7.3M) or Hanifin at 4.9M buyout at 1.5M and Hathway at 0.85M (7.25M)

Hathaway could just be put on waivers and sent down if he clears.

Vinny01 · 07-30-2018, 07:35 AM

I don’t really understand why they are keeping Hathaway around but at least they can bury this salary in the minors.

Bingo · 07-30-2018, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

I personally won’t be surprised if Hanifin gets a bridge deal.

But, it’s always best to negotiate with all options, and unless Brouwer is bought out, a long term deal is likely not practical.

I assume Hanifin’s contract will be signed next week one way or another, given that the decision to act on the buy-out is dependent on what kind of contract you are anticipating from Hanifin.

I think they can negotiate both a long term deal and a bridge all this week. Keep the Brouwer bullet in the chamber and then make the best decision for the organization when the buzzer sounds.

1. Bridge because you don't want Brouwer's cap hit in years three and four
2. Buyout because the team feels they will get value in Hanifin in getting him done now.

One is a known $1.5M per season in years three and four.

Does Hanifin coming off a bridge get $3M more in year four and beyond?

Imported_Aussie · 07-30-2018, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Hathaway could just be put on waivers and sent down if he clears.

My assumption here is that if Brouwer is not bought out, he is on the roster. If he is then a replacement player (Hathaway) is needed on the roster. So it's Brouwer at 4.5M for 2 years or buyout+Hathaway/other replacement level player at 2.35M for 4 years.
Assuming Hanifin is signed on a 2 year bridge, his next contract likely swallows up a chunk of that 4.5M to Brouwer, with the rest going into a forward and some left over. Or you get Hanifin cost controlled now, the price being carrying that buyout hit.

Bridge saves money in years 3 onwards, buyout saves money next 2 years, then in remaining years of Hanifin deal after buyout off books

puckedoff · 07-30-2018, 07:49 AM

I think they will bridge Hanifin. High upside / lots of potential but really an unknown commodity at this point with a lot left to prove before he earns a big payday.

PugnaciousIntern · 07-30-2018, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I think they can negotiate both a long term deal and a bridge all this week. Keep the Brouwer bullet in the chamber and then make the best decision for the organization when the buzzer sounds.

1. Bridge because you don't want Brouwer's cap hit in years three and four
2. Buyout because the team feels they will get value in Hanifin in getting him done now.

One is a known $1.5M per season in years three and four.

Does Hanifin coming off a bridge get $3M more in year four and beyond?

I misspoke- I meant within the week, as in around the time the buyout window closes

dustygoon · 07-30-2018, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

I personally won’t be surprised if Hanifin gets a bridge deal.

But, it’s always best to negotiate with all options, and unless Brouwer is bought out, a long term deal is likely not practical.

I assume Hanifin’s contract will be signed next week one way or another, given that the decision to act on the buy-out is dependent on what kind of contract you are anticipating from Hanifin.

I would prefer a bridge deal for a younger guy. A massive contract to a 21 year old has some negative effects no matter how professional they are. The carrot is good for development. If we have to resign at 6mm or higher in a couple years, that is not a bad problem to have.

EVERLAST · 07-30-2018, 08:09 AM

Hathaway works hard but he also disappears at times. I hope he realizes keeping him around means more hard work. I like his effort and heart.

Brouwer will still be a flame unfortunately. I think he had a few bright spots last year but we will see what Peters decides if Tre keeps him around .

I like this teams moves though and if hockey started tomorrow I’d be very happy.

Have a great Monday fellas

Robbob · 07-30-2018, 08:12 AM

Hathaway probably got a bit more than if he had gone into the arbitration hearing. Probably worthwhile for the team to concede 25k-50k so you don't have to tear down the player in the hearing.

sureLoss · 07-30-2018, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbob

Hathaway probably got a bit more than if he had gone into the arbitration hearing. Probably worthwhile for the team to concede 25k-50k so you don't have to tear down the player in the hearing.

That and who wants to spend time in Toronto in a boring hearing with the celebration of a Hall of Fame worthy career going on in the Saddledome today.

Flamescuprun2018 · 07-30-2018, 08:15 AM

I think Tre Wizard gets a 5 or 6 year Hanifin deal done and just squeezes this under the cap without having to buyout Brouwer.

He needs more cap relief options to find caproom next year for Tkachuk (5+m deal) and just in case Bennett breaks out this year with better linemates.

I would rather exercise Brouwer buyout next summer or by some miracle trade him with retained salary at trade deadline (if he resurges).

Tre will need that money then and probably one or both of Frolik or Stone moved in trade.

Robbob · 07-30-2018, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

That and who wants to spend time in Toronto in a boring hearing with the celebration of a Hall of Fame worthy career going on in the Saddledome today.

I guess there is that too.

Cali Panthers Fan · 07-30-2018, 08:23 AM

That's about right for Hathaway. I still hope that he can elevate his offensive game a little in the NHL, but what we saw last year is likely who he is. Basically Josh Jooris all over again. He'll carve out a nice NHL career as a replacement level player that jumps from team to team eeking out one year deals.

I'm torn on what to do with Brouwer. I am still hopeful that he can provide the team something more than what we saw last year. Perhaps Peters can light a fire under his butt, along with some strong play from kids who are gunning for his spot. It's really up to him at this point if he wants to avoid a buyout. I honestly don't see it happening this off-season, but then I didn't see Treliving going out and trading Hamilton and Ferland for Hanifin and Lindholm either.

devo22 · 07-30-2018, 08:30 AM

good for Hathaway to get a one-way. I'm okay with him being the 13th/14th forward to draw in and play an energy role from time to time.

I'd be okay with dragging along Brouwer in a 4th line/extra forward role for another year, but if he is what stands between the Flames and a sensible long-term deal with Hanifin (and I think he is), then a buyout is a no-brainer to me.

Finger Cookin · 07-30-2018, 08:36 AM

So Hathaway is a negotiating savant since he signed for more than (Club offer + player offer) ÷ 2

Royle9 · 07-30-2018, 08:49 AM

More bottom 6 log jam scenarios for sure now!

Something has got to give, my hope is a Brouwer buyout but you rarely see buyouts in August so I'm not holding my breathe.

I'd rather have Lazar play 13th forward and have given Hathaway another 2way deal but what can you do. This pretty much means Hathaway will be the 13th forward so now we've got to figure out what to do for a 4th line.

I feel were 2+ heavy in the forward group and 1+ heavy on the backend with the 1 way deal for Prout + Kulak leaving no "room" for Andersson/Valimaki without a subtraction.