Stabbing at Chinook Centre

[TheScorpion]

Just narrowly avoided a police event at Chinook by a matter of minutes. Details are sketchy -- not really anything official -- but word is possibly multiple people were stabbed in Chinook's parkade. The stabbing occurred just feet from my car, very lucky to have missed it.

Might want to avoid MacLeod for now

[TheScorpion]

660 just confirmed that three people were stabbed. Scary, scary stuff. Still a little shocked rn

Edit: apparently one person was stabbed in the mall, one in the parkade, and one a block away. looks to be a random attack, very scary

[Otto-matic]

City is getting more and more scary each passing day. Not to the point where I feel unsafe downtown or anywhere but all these random attacks are a bit concerning.

Seems to be more wannabe thugs that get insulted at everything rolling around town.

[KevanGuy]

Woman in custody after 3 people stabbed at Calgary’s Chinook Centre shopping mall: police

[Minnie]

Well, that makes me mighty glad the plans we had for being at Chinook tonight, were changed.

Hope everyone is ok.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

City is getting more and more scary each passing day. Not to the point where I feel unsafe downtown or anywhere.

Seems to be more wannabe thugs that get insulted at everything rolling around town.

What?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_...n_area,_2009-7

Violent crime severity index progressively down from 84.8 in 2009 to 61.3 in 2016 in Calgary.

[CliffFletcher]

It's the random attacks that freak people out, and there have been several of those in the last few years, including a random stabbing at a bus stop a few days ago. From an entirely selfish POV, it doesn't make me feel less safe if a bunch of gang members are shooting and stabbing one another over drugs. Or tough guys are getting in fights outside bars.

But the mom and her kid stabbed at a playground by a random passerby? The guy stabbed to death by random guy at a C-Train station? The woman stabbed at the bus stop earlier this week? Multiple people randomly stabbed at Chinook Mall (if this does turn out to be random)? Sorry, that affects my sense of safety way more. I know to avoid dangerous environments. But if playgrounds, malls, and C-train stations in the middle of the day become dangerous environments, there's not a lot I can do to avoid that.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It's the random attacks that freak people out, and there have been several of those in the last few years, including a random stabbing at a bus stop a few days ago. From an entirely selfish POV, it doesn't make me feel less safe if a bunch of gang members are shooting and stabbing one another over drugs. Or tough guys are getting in fights outside bars.

But the mom and her kid stabbed at a playground by a random passerby? The guy stabbed to death by random guy at a C-Train station? The woman stabbed at the bus stop earlier this week? Multiple people randomly stabbed at Chinook Mall (if this does turn out to be random)? Sorry, that affects my sense of safety way more. I know to avoid dangerous environments. But if playgrounds, malls, and C-train stations in the middle of the day become dangerous environments, there's not a lot I can do to avoid that.

I can understand why. It definitely plays on people's fears to be thinking that theoretically it can happen to them anywhere, anytime.

I'm not sure I'd be able to find stats of "random attacks" - maybe under "terrorist" attacks? Regardless, it is illogical to worry about something like that when you're far more likely to die from a host of at least partially-preventable things.

That doesn't make it any less horrifying for those involved, and I don't mean to detract from the topic. I just think it's interesting as it inevitably pops up in all these discussions.

Edit: https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...cs_expert.html This article claims 12 people per year in Toronto are killed in a random attack.

[La Flames Fan]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

City is getting more and more scary each passing day. Not to the point where I feel unsafe downtown or anywhere.

Seems to be more wannabe thugs that get insulted at everything rolling around town.

But it's not...the data just doesn't support that. We moved down to #93.

https://www.macleans.ca/canadas-most-dangerous-places/

[curves2000]

I don't know about stats and I don't personally feel unsafe anywhere in this city but there is more and more scum and human filth out there than I am comfortable with. I don't know how much of this is tied to our society in general with the ever increasing use of pharmaceuticals and people just being medicated for EVERYTHING but the eye ball trendline suggests otherwise for me personally.

I don't know if we are just num to certain things now and don't report nearly as many crimes or bad behavior, I know that in my family's businesses area, we are seeing lots of bad stuff. If we called the cops for every addict who started causing trouble, stole and was in the process committing a crime, we would be on the phone all day long.

One thing that has stuck out to me is how many children have been viciously killed in Southern Alberta in the last 3 or 4 years?? I think the last time I counted it might have been 7 or 8 I believe. What is causing this psychosis? People don't wake up and decide to murder a child just because.

Speedy recovery to all involved

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Multiple people randomly stabbed at Chinook Mall (if this does turn out to be random)?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/com...lice_presence/

It's reddit, but comments from some people that were there.

[chemgear]

The executions in Toronto were pretty disturbing as well.

NSFW video:

http://www.iheartradio.ca/newstalk-1...rder-1.3840961

The tech business guy getting gunned down the other day was strange, not the usual profile one might expect. They've had like 8 murders in 10 days.

[taco.vidal]

Good ole Winnipeg handshake. Probably a disgruntled Jets fan doing the stabbing. The Jets' playoff exit could explain the recent rash of stabbings.

[speede5]

Crime is down but reporting and the spread of information, and misinformation is up 1000% (not actual stat, just a guesstimate). While we are safer, we feel less safe as we hear about everything, and not just as a passing news story.

I watch housewive's panic on facebook when there is a reported home invasion in town, which happens occasionally, and the news fails to add that the suspects knew each other, or that the invasion was a drug money collection.

Random events like this are scary, and I don't know if you can do anything about them other than keeping your head up. But even then unprovoked random violence would catch just about anyone off guard.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

But it's not...the data just doesn't support that. We moved down to #93.

https://www.macleans.ca/canadas-most-dangerous-places/

I agree the data doesn't support it but just seeing all the random stabbings happening in broad daylight that is getting me to that point.

I got of the train 2 days ago and someone was stabbed at the Crackmacs LRT station at 7AM. Luckily I got off at the station 10 mins after that all went down.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/police-in...form-1.3951441

Police say the victim was stabbed by a man in his 20s, who then fled the scene.

A man was stabbed in the face and was taken to hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by chemgear

The executions in Toronto were pretty disturbing as well.

NSFW video:

http://www.iheartradio.ca/newstalk-1...rder-1.3840961

The tech business guy getting gunned down the other day was strange, not the usual profile one might expect. They've had like 8 murders in 10 days.

Some articles allude to that not being random? He was known to the police.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by speede5

Crime is down but reporting and the spread of information, and misinformation is up 1000% (not actual stat, just a guesstimate). While we are safer, we feel less safe as we hear about everything, and not just as a passing news story.

I watch housewive's panic on facebook when there is a reported home invasion in town, which happens occasionally, and the news fails to add that the suspects knew each other, or that the invasion was a drug money collection.

Random events like this are scary, and I don't know if you can do anything about them other than keeping your head up. But even then unprovoked random violence would catch just about anyone off guard.

I would guess the reporting of stabbings deaths has remained pretty constant at approx. 100%

[GGG]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I would guess the reporting of stabbings deaths has remained pretty constant at approx. 100%

But you now get every stabbing from everywhere.

I think the delocalization of news and the way it propagates into your day is why people feel less safe.

Not only is the content much less local you also get it instantly and the coverage is ongoing. Instead of hearing it once on the 6pm news and reading it in the paper the next morning, then a week later when a person is charged and 1 year later when they are convicted.

You now get

4:52 Breaking news -- People stabbed in Calgary
4:58 Calgarypuck thread
5:03 Breaking news -- People stabbed in Chinook Mall
5:05 Breaking news -- 3 people stabbed, Cause unknown
5:15 Breaking news -- 3 people stabbed, Random attack

Then you get 6 different opion pieces and blogs and facebooks comments ranging from Blaming videogames to blaming immigrants. Then when the person is arrested we have a discussion on parenting if it was a white kid and racism if it was a person of color (Which in itself is kinda racist).

And so this one stabbing becomes a touchstone for a few days to discuss all of the other "issues" that get rehashed over and over. So instead of hearing about this 5 times over the course of a year it becomes part of an ongoing anxiety inducing narrative that society is falling apart. .

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GGG

But you now get every stabbing from everywhere.

But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking strictly about the ones in Calgary.

Originally Posted by GGG

And so this one stabbing becomes a touchstone for a few days to discuss all of the other "issues" that get rehashed over and over. So instead of hearing about this 5 times over the course of a year it becomes part of an ongoing anxiety inducing narrative that society is falling apart.

I understand the phenomenon of media attention distorting perceptions of crime and crime trends. And I agree that overall rates of violent crime are going down in Canada.

However, we're talking about a specific kind of crime - random stabbings of strangers. And I can assure you that when they did happen, random stabbings in Calgary got loads of press 20 and 30 years ago.

Yes, we should use statistics and empirical data to assess crime trends. But personally, I'd like to see those stats in Calgary broken down into attacks where the victim knew the perpetrator and where the victims were strangers. Because I've been avidly following the news in this city for decades, and I don't think it's just my distorted subjective impression that random knife attacks on strangers are happening more often recently. You will concede that's at least possible, won't you?

[GGG]

What were taking about though is the perception that the world is less safe. Reporting of Non-Calgary violent crime influences the perception of the likelyhood of Calgary violent crime.

I would say that the risk of random knife attacks in Calgary has not changed recently despite having one or two recent events. I don't the pattern of recent attacks could be distinguished from random noise in the data.