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Old 01-04-2018, 08:29 AM   #1
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Oilers general manager Peter Chiarelli took a lot of heat in the Edmonton market, and around the league, when he traded Taylor Hall to the New Jersey Devils for Adam Larsson in late June of 2016.

Believe it not, the Oilers apparently may have been in the mix to deal Hall to a different locale in a transaction that would have likely drawn even more friction.
Thought this deserves it's own thread. Mods can merge it with the "Edmonton is no good" thread if they so choose.
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I don't buy it. seems the TSN guys that go on 1260 work hard on damage control for the Oilers as well. Trying to leak this 2 years post-trade is odd though...
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edmonton oilers should NEVER be written in capitals.
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Hahaha, if they would have done Hall for Ceci straight across like they did for Larsson, that would have been amazing!
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Both sides look like absolute morons here. How do these people have jobs managing a hockey team?
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The funny thing with it being July, what was the rush to pull the trigger on Larson. I think you are right this is just a distraction from the tire fire.
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As much heat as Chiarelli is getting, i'm not sure people outside Edmonton truly appreciate the extent of Taylor Hall's reputation in Edmonton.

He had to be moved. Chiarelli inherited the problem that MacTavish and Lowe created with Hall. His play on the ice was nothing compared to his off ice antics.
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Reputation or not, Hall is in the discussion for the top five wingers in the league. I know it's sacrilicious to talk about Hall in any positive way on this board but he's a damn good player on the counting stats side. He was BY FAR the best player on the Oilers in the dark years and can almost single handedly drive a line and create offense. That they traded him for a utility defenceman is just terrible.
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Reputation or not, Hall is in the discussion for the top five wingers in the league. I know it's sacrilicious to talk about Hall in any positive way on this board but he's a damn good player on the counting stats side. He was BY FAR the best player on the Oilers in the dark years and can almost single handedly drive a line and create offense. That they traded him for a utility defenceman is just terrible.
Absolutely, he's a great winger. Gotta take the blinders off, I'd take him on the Flames any day any time.
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As much heat as Chiarelli is getting, i'm not sure people outside Edmonton truly appreciate the extent of Taylor Hall's reputation in Edmonton.

He had to be moved. Chiarelli inherited the problem that MacTavish and Lowe created with Hall. His play on the ice was nothing compared to his off ice antics.
I get that and in many ways it's similar to Phaneuf needing to be moved from the Flames because of his toxicity in the locker room. Neither GM had a gun to their head and the bottom line in both cases is that the GM's of the Alberta teams sold low. A major part of being a successful GM is maximizing your assets and they failed big time on these trades.
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As much heat as Chiarelli is getting, i'm not sure people outside Edmonton truly appreciate the extent of Taylor Hall's reputation in Edmonton.

He had to be moved. Chiarelli inherited the problem that MacTavish and Lowe created with Hall. His play on the ice was nothing compared to his off ice antics.
But then you look at other trades where guys "had to be moved" and they seem to at least get a fair return.
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Reputation or not, Hall is in the discussion for the top five wingers in the league. I know it's sacrilicious to talk about Hall in any positive way on this board but he's a damn good player on the counting stats side. He was BY FAR the best player on the Oilers in the dark years and can almost single handedly drive a line and create offense. That they traded him for a utility defenceman is just terrible.
That's just not true. He gets plenty of positive comments now, since leaving the Oilers.
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Reputation or not, Hall is in the discussion for the top five wingers in the league. I know it's sacrilicious to talk about Hall in any positive way on this board but he's a damn good player on the counting stats side. He was BY FAR the best player on the Oilers in the dark years and can almost single handedly drive a line and create offense. That they traded him for a utility defenceman is just terrible.
Mmmm.... delicious sacrilege
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As much heat as Chiarelli is getting, i'm not sure people outside Edmonton truly appreciate the extent of Taylor Hall's reputation in Edmonton.

He had to be moved. Chiarelli inherited the problem that MacTavish and Lowe created with Hall. His play on the ice was nothing compared to his off ice antics.
I met Taylor Hall at Wet Republic in Vegas (the day they won the lottery for McDavid). The guy was a great dude. Was he hammered, yes. Did he act inappropriate in a place where practically everyone else did, nope. Totally nice guy willing to take pictures with whom ever wanted them.

Granted that was only a brief interaction, but I always felt those Edmonton rumours were just angry fans not happy with the result in the ice.
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I get that and in many ways it's similar to Phaneuf needing to be moved from the Flames because of his toxicity in the locker room. Neither GM had a gun to their head and the bottom line in both cases is that the GM's of the Alberta teams sold low. A major part of being a successful GM is maximizing your assets and they failed big time on these trades.
Phaneuf continued to be a dick after Calgary though (I could tell you a great story from just last summer about a charity golf tournament in PEI).

Haven’t heard much about Hall since he left Edmonton. Granted, he is no longer in a Canadian market and plays in a place where the Jersey Shore Cast is put on a pedestal.
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Remember when Drouin had to be moved? Yzerman waited a year and got a top young defenceman. Sakic got a lot of flak for waiting so long to pull the trigger on a Duchene deal, but he made out like a bandit.
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Remember when Drouin had to be moved? Yzerman waited a year and got a top young defenceman. Sakic got a lot of flak for waiting so long to pull the trigger on a Duchene deal, but he made out like a bandit.
Rarely, if ever, does a GM make a good knee jerk move. Even Feaster managed to get 2 second rounds and Horvak for Tom. That was even at the 11th hour before he returned to the draft.
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Rarely, if ever, does a GM make a good knee jerk move. Even Feaster managed to get 2 second rounds and Horvak for Tom. That was even at the 11th hour before he returned to the draft.
Prime example: Gilmour trade. I'm betting Phaneuf was a knee jerk move as well.

In both cases I think they made a decision to move the player and then took the first offer that came along. In the Gilmour case it was by a GM who knew Risebrough really well.
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As much heat as Chiarelli is getting, i'm not sure people outside Edmonton truly appreciate the extent of Taylor Hall's reputation in Edmonton.

He had to be moved. Chiarelli inherited the problem that MacTavish and Lowe created with Hall. His play on the ice was nothing compared to his off ice antics.
Yup, and Hall was the face of the franchise, he was their golden boy. KLown and MacTavish would even take him on their UFA schmoozing visits everywhere to help sell players on coming there...then suddenly they have McLotteryballs and Hall is cast aside. How do you keep that player without the room going toxic?

Still though, doesn't mean we can't laugh heartily at it. I actually really like Hall since he left. A Calgarian who went #1 overall and prob hates the Oilers now. Elite winger, plays in the East so his personal and team success doesn't affect us at all. Plus Edmonton looks like they got fleeced on that trade. What's not to like?

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I get that and in many ways it's similar to Phaneuf needing to be moved from the Flames because of his toxicity in the locker room. Neither GM had a gun to their head and the bottom line in both cases is that the GM's of the Alberta teams sold low. A major part of being a successful GM is maximizing your assets and they failed big time on these trades.
I almost never agree with your views but I do in this case absolutely. Similar situations for both Sutter and Chiarelli and both got horrible returns for solid assets even with the other stuff behind the scenes.
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