Admittedly I haven't had a chance to pay too much attention to the rest of the league.
But I thought the thread title either had two typos or were trying to make a joke about McDavid and Katz.
Anyways that's an unfortunate hit. MacDermid takes two big strides over to him before Kase hit the blue line. Skating down the middle... look up kid he's right in front of you. Got caught looking at his pass.
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While in this new environment, that is a suspension worthy hit, i don't think it was dirty.
Kase takes the puck, goes through the neutral zone, head down, crosses the zone, passes the puck, and stares at his pass. By the time he had released his pass, MacDermid had already committed to the standing him up, seeing Kase isn't looking, and also not to allow him to dance in unimpeded.
It's a play I used to do 100 times when i played growing up, and my coach would have benched me had I not stepped up and impeded a player coming in like that. Yes, sometimes my shoulder accidentally hit the head, but the majority of the time, it was shoulder on shoulder (which I always aimed for in that situation, as the chest is not a target as the player is turned). While I don't think MacDermid's intent was to injure, i believe he tried to go for the shoulder/chest. Kase leaning over after his pass didn't help, and also getting blindsided and having his momentum halted didn't help I'm sure.
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While in this new environment, that is a suspension worthy hit, i don't think it was dirty.
Kase takes the puck, goes through the neutral zone, head down, crosses the zone, passes the puck, and stares at his pass. By the time he had released his pass, MacDermid had already committed to the standing him up, seeing Kase isn't looking, and also not to allow him to dance in unimpeded.
It's a play I used to do 100 times when i played growing up, and my coach would have benched me had I not stepped up and impeded a player coming in like that. Yes, sometimes my shoulder accidentally hit the head, but the majority of the time, it was shoulder on shoulder (which I always aimed for in that situation, as the chest is not a target as the player is turned). While I don't think MacDermid's intent was to injure, i believe he tried to go for the shoulder/chest. Kase leaning over after his pass didn't help, and also getting blindsided and having his momentum halted didn't help I'm sure.
Exactly, dirty headshot.
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so you say it wasn't dirty then you say he blind sided him...
It was the kind of hit that should be a suspension. It was late. It was high. It was an east to west/blindside hit. McDermid leaves his feet. It looks like he leads with his elbow not shoulder.
It was a bad hit. As much as I hate the ducks, Kase is a young up and coming player with tons of potential that has been fun to watch so far this year. It would really suck if this concussion screws up his potential.
I think this will be the first suspension of the year for a hit like that, I hope the NHL makes an example of the guy. It could have been done way differently but instead he went for a dirty hit, that's not right.
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I’m not a big fan of the notion that the guy getting hit needs to take the responsibility, but in this case, there is some validity.
I think the hit is late (I don’t like the ‘finish your check’ hit after the puck is gone either), but Kase is skating directly into 2 D Men. How can he not expect the potential for some type of contact?
Still, it’s on the DMan to control his body and timing, which makes it a bad hit.
I can't tell if he contacts the head... but I still don't think anything comes of this.
I don't know how anyone is calling it blindside or late. He's almost directly in front of him, and there isn't even a second between him passing the puck and taking the hit.
Kase is skating forward and there is a man on each side and he's going through the middle. McDermid is next to the guy on Kase's right and then crouches down like he's going to do a hip check then explodes up to the head. It's clear that Kase didn't see him and it's clear as day that McDermid didn't come straight at him.
If this had happened to one of our guys, we'd be calling for McDermid's head. If one of our guys did it, we'd be expecting him to get suspended.
I agree that I don't think anything will come of it though because I just feel that the wheel of justice will land on free pass or something. 0 faith in the league
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I don't think that's on MacDermid at all. Kase is coming straight down the middle of the ice and just across the blue line. That's an area where a forward should expect a defenseman to step up in order to keep them out of a high danger scoring area. So what does Kase do? He dumps the puck off to the wing and then stares at his pass, looking away from the defender who had already moved toward him. If he had even the slightest bit of awareness, he would have angled away from the check, or at least looked back in his direction after he makes the pass.
It's a stupid play by Kase. MacDermid was doing his job and the end result was terrible obviously, but that's a hockey play that went wrong because the attacker wasn't aware of anything around him. The only reason to suspend MacDermid would be for incidental contact to the head. I don't think it's a predatory hit in any way. Just a hard hockey play that Kase is probably not expecting.
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Starting to understand more why there are such different opinions on how Flames players perform. I still don't know what replay any of you are watching here.
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I found it hard to see from those angles if the principle point of contact is head or shoulder. if head suspension, if not, none. Didnt seem late at full speed, but i could be wrong. Blind side hit? In what universe is someones blindside in front of them
You can argue that he wasn't aware all you want. And sometimes it's true (including this time).
But that is entirely beside the point.
The whole purpose of the rule changes is to crack down on injuries from head shots. And one of the worst aspects of that is hitting guys when they are vulnerable.
WHY they are vulnerable is irrelevant. The injury doesn't judge whether or not you 'deserved' it, you get the concussion regardless.
And while it doesn't surprise me that some people continue to argue about being aware, frankly Cali, I am amazed that you - a doctor - take that stance.
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That is a bit late and predatory , but wth is he doing there! "let me just stare into the corner" while I skate into the middle of the ice
Have players forgotten how to protect themselves?
If he was paying any kind of attention to himself his arms come he defends himself and it turns into a solid check.
What is the D supposed to do there ? he closes the gap quickly on an attacking player who turns the other way.
This is a huge issue for me, in the past players were forced to protect themselves better (see: Stevens,Scott)
Now it seems many of them have no awareness whatsoever or are looking to draw penalties I'm not sure but Keep your head up
MacDermid smokes Kase with a heavy hit
