Do we have an elite A+ player on our team? Who does this team lean on? - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

FlameyMcFlameFace · 10-05-2017, 12:08 AM

I've been asking myself this since last season.... Is Johnny overrated?

Since that new contract if we average out his gameplay consider he's a "superstar" he has been invisible. I personally don't think he's an elite player.

Is Monohan our star? I personally think he's our best player however he is not elite?

Is our problem we don't have that one elite player we can lean on when times get rough that most Stanley cup championship teams have?

I think the depth Edmonton has is not that good at all, but they have a McDavid. That one player makes a huge difference. Who is our star in the clutch?

Love · 10-05-2017, 12:09 AM

No we don't

Phaneuf_Phan · 10-05-2017, 12:11 AM

I'll comment after I see Jagr play...

minnow · 10-05-2017, 12:12 AM

He left and he can never come back. Things change.

bigrangy · 10-05-2017, 12:14 AM

The Flames did have some and they should have some more

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Giordano has had a 6th and 8th place Norris finish playing in a small market on an irrelevant team

Gaudreau was 7th in league scoring as a sophomore

These were great players

Not to mention the add of Hamilton, who is in the debate for the best u25 d-man in the league

Monahan is top 10 among u22 goal scorers in the post-lockout era
crosby, ovie, stamkos, seguin, skinner, toews, geno, kopitar, tavares ahead of him

there are some legitimately elite players on this roster and nobody looked like they even had the potential to contribute positively tonight

Caged Great · 10-05-2017, 12:15 AM

The Flames have no Superstars. There are only 8 or 9 superstars in the game today and some are better than others. McDavid, Crosby, Ovechkin, Matthews, Laine, Tavares, Kane, Tarasenko and Malkin.

The Flames have a good group of players that are in that next tier.

Flames Draft Watcher · 10-05-2017, 12:15 AM

Tkachuk probably will be within a couple years. There's a small chance Bennett develops into that type of player too. But right now? Sure doesn't look like it.

FlameyMcFlameFace · 10-05-2017, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bigrangy

The Flames did have some and they should have some more

I think word "elite" is being thrown around very loosely in that quote.

MrMike · 10-05-2017, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Caged Great

The Flames have no Superstars. There are only 8 or 9 superstars in the game today and some are better than others. McDavid, Crosby, Ovechkin, Matthews, Laine, Tavares, Kane, Tarasenko and Malkin.

The Flames have a good group of players that are in that next tier.

See why as hard as a Nashville tries it's hard to compete.

Look at how much stronger their d is. Strong goalie.

The youth up front as well as they hit with their Neal(Brower)

And still came up so short against game changers.

Brick · 10-05-2017, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by flamesfan2.0

I've been asking myself this since last season.... Is Johnny overrated?

Since that new contract if we average out his gameplay consider he's a "superstar" he has been invisible. I personally don't think he's an elite player.

Is Monohan our star? I personally think he's our best player however he is not elite?

Is our problem we don't have that one elite player we can lean on when times get rough that most Stanley cup championship teams have?

I think the depth Edmonton has is not that good at all, but they have a McDavid. That one player makes a huge difference. Who is our star in the clutch?

The Flames don't really have a star in the clutch yet. Hopefully someone emerges to be that guy sometime soon.

DeluxeMoustache · 10-05-2017, 12:19 AM

Said in another thread that we are hoping for Johnny to be Kane but if he continues the trend set last year we are looking at Huselius in his prime years. If the league has caught on and this is what we have, Flames need to evaluate this asset.

FlameyMcFlameFace · 10-05-2017, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Caged Great

The Flames have no Superstars. There are only 8 or 9 superstars in the game today and some are better than others. McDavid, Crosby, Ovechkin, Matthews, Laine, Tavares, Kane, Tarasenko and Malkin.

The Flames have a good group of players that are in that next tier.

Karlsson is the best dman in the game. He is a superstar..

You don't mention the likes of Getzlaf, Seguin, Erik Karlsson, Marchand, Backstrom, Burns, and Toews.

My question to you is, if you say we have those players in the next tier. Which I'm assuming you're meaning the players I have mentioned. Where do our guys fit in with the likes of the names I just mentioned? I would think the bottom of it

MrMike · 10-05-2017, 12:22 AM

Looking at what we have and can do, id wait until January first and give the NYI whatever they want futures Brodie or one of our big 4 and get Tavares, or go out and try to steal one in MacKinnon.

Caged Great · 10-05-2017, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by flamesfan2.0

Karlsson is the best dman in the game. He is a superstar..

You don't mention the likes of Getzlaf, Seguin, Erik Karlsson, Marchand, Backstrom, Burns, and Toews.

My question to you is, if you say we have those players in the next tier. Which I'm assuming you're meaning the players I have mentioned. Where do our guys fit in with the likes of the names I just mentioned? I would think the bottom of it

Karlsson and Marchand are in the top tier to me, simply didn't think of them off the top of my head. The rest are in the group next to them along with guys like Benn, Gaudreau, Barkov, Monahan, and a bunch of others.

To me, I think we have 5 really good players - Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Giordano, and Hamilton. Then we have a few good players like Brodie, Hamonic, Bennett, Backlund and then the rest.

The difference between the Flames and most teams is they simply don't have that many good players. We just lack someone in the top tier.

Kybb79 · 10-05-2017, 12:58 AM

Johnny and Brodie for Taveres.Then we would have an elite player.

debil · 10-05-2017, 01:51 AM

I'm surprised so much negativity, trading for tavares,mckinnon already. We have monahan best of his draft class and playmaking possession superstar.

JohnnyB · 10-05-2017, 02:29 AM

I don't think we do, but I don't think many teams in the league do. McDavid, Crosby, Karlsson, Price... maybe Doughty. Real A+ standouts are few and far between. Many others have flashes of brilliance or are consistently good, including our stars, but they're not that talent that reshapes a team through their excellence.

Erick Estrada · 10-05-2017, 06:57 AM

I said it last year and I will say it again. No team is going to go anywhere in this league with guys like Ferland and Chiasson playing 1st line RW. Treliving could build the greatest blue line in the history of hockey and as long as bottom six forwards are playing on the first line this team will be fatally flawed. It's like a football team that doesn't address it's offensive line and wonders why they can't get the best out of their QB and receivers. Is Jagr the solution? I'm not convinced but he's a hell of a lot better than the guys they have used over the last 83 games.

CalgaryFan1988 · 10-05-2017, 07:02 AM

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Johnny and Brodie for Taveres.Then we would have an elite player.

Then 28 year old John Tavares leaves at the end of the season as a UFA, creating massive holes everywhere.

bubbsy · 10-05-2017, 07:07 AM

We have some star players but not any generational star power, and that's fine.

I know we are all upset about the loss last night, but all the forward lines expected to generate offensive were garbage. The players were in awe of mcdavid and watching rather than getting in the way and playing smart when he was on the ice.