Flames Defense Draft Picks

[Backlunds_socks]

Listening to the Fan this morning they had an interesting conversion: The Flames suck at drafting D-men.

Since Gary Suter they've only drafted Phaneuf and Brodie as the only notable topish pairing D-men.

But then again there have been the likes of Gauthier, Morris and Lydman.

But the fact remains the list is not very extensive.

[bubbsy]

Please provide some stats on per round date draft attempts VS nhl level dmen drafted. Then please share a comparative analysis to the rest of the nhl over the past decade or two. Are the flames above or below the mean?

Until you show up with something tangible, well then it sure seems like you like to complain just to complain on here.....

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Please provide some stats on per round date draft attempts VS nhl level dmen drafted. Then please share a comparative analysis to the rest of the nhl over the past decade or two. Are the flames above or below the mean?



Until you show up with something tangible, well then it sure seems like you like to complain just to complain on here.....

There will be this and then the other group who will go in about how there is 4 future NHLers in the system right now.

[Poe969]

D is such a hard position to draft, it's not too often that guys like Ekblad come along with #1 potential as it seems most young stars are all forwards. Most of the time, if a defender is in the first round, he goes early and the team seems to draft the best player available. It just hasn't been defenders for a long time.

I do think that the teams drafting has improved over the past few years so let's hope there are some gems in there.

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Please provide some stats on per round date draft attempts VS nhl level dmen drafted. Then please share a comparative analysis to the rest of the nhl over the past decade or two. Are the flames above or below the mean?

Until you show up with something tangible, well then it sure seems like you like to complain just to complain on here.....

I'm just bringing up a point made on the Fan 960 this morning.

Mob mentality is real.

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

There will be this and then the other group who will go in about how there is 4 future NHLers in the system right now.

Agreed, Kulak, Andersson, Valimaki and who else?

[ForeverFlameFan]

It’ll change soon. We picked some really good defenseman in recent drafts. We hadn’t picked high for a defenseman since Phaneuf when we picked Valimaki. And that kid looks promising.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

Agreed, Kulak, Andersson, Valimaki and who else?

Kylington

[sureLoss]

By using the same logic, you can say the same about Centers.

Since Nieuwendyk they haven't drafted and developed any notable Cs except for Monahan and Backlund.


Fact of the matter is that from the late 90s, Flames drafting hasn't really produced any high quality players until more recently.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

Agreed, Kulak, Andersson, Valimaki and who else?

Fox over Kyllington.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

By using the same logic, you can say the same about Centers.

Since Nieuwendyk they haven't drafted and developed any notable Cs except for Monahan and Backlund.

Fact of the matter is that from the late 90s, Flames drafting hasn't really produced any high quality players until more recently.

And by using the same logic could probably make the same arguments for most teams in the league.

[Roof-Daddy]

This really isn't a secret to anyone who follows this team.

The Flames drafting and development has been terrible since the 80's and it's probably the biggest reason we've been mostly an 'also ran' for decades.

[Bingo]

I can see why these things are fun, but running back 30 years in an organization that has had what 6 GMs in that time frame is sort of useless.

Sutter Era
Adam Pardy
Alexander Deilert
Dion Phaneuf
Gaelan Patterson
Gord Baldwin
Joey Leach
John Negrin
John Ramage
Keith Aulie
Myles Rumsey
T.J. Brodie
Tim Erixon
Tim Ramholt

13 defensemen in 8 years, two made an impact, one was a no brainer

Feaster Era
Brett Kulak
Eric Roy
John Gilmour
Keegan Kanzig
Patrick Sieloff
Rushan Rafikov
Ryan Culkin
Tyler Wotherspoon

8 defensemen in 3 years, two still in the dance, no top fours

Treliving Era (harder to judge)
Adam Fox
Adam Ollas-Mattsson
Brandon Hickey
Juuso Valimaki
Oliver Kylington
Rasmus Andersson
Riley Bruce
Stepan Falkovsky

8 defenseman in 4 years, 4 considered good prospects, two others still prospects.

The Flames historically haven't gone to dmen enough if you ask me. 25 selected out of 104 players in 15 years which is just under 25% when Dmen make up 33% of the guys on the ice five on five.

Sutter especially avoided dmen like the plague

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

Fox over Kyllington.

From what I hear Kylington has been making some pretty good progress. Not saying he will be better than Fox, it is just good to hear as I think he has had some bumpy moments in his development.

To the OP, they haven't really drafted Dmen that high. Other than Phaneuf, I think we have only drafted 2 other dmen in the first round (not including last year) that i can recall (Tom and Pelech) and that goes back probably 15 years.

So really it is no surprise that we haven't developed many considering after the first round finding an NHLer drops significantly. I think the current hockey management team that has taken a pretty big step to remedy the situation by using a bunch of the picks on Dmen.

Fox, Andersson, Kylington, and Valamiki all drafted in the first couple rounds in their draft year so the odds are pretty good that at least one of these will be a keeper.

[Vinny01]

The Flames might not be the best at drafting a Dman but the blueline has not really been a problem for this team for over a decade. The Flames have boasted a fairly high end back end since their 04 run when Regehr anchored the blueline. Phaneuf emerged and they added Bouwmeester. That group transitioned to the Giordano-Brodie group which has added Hamilton and Hamonic to the mix.

Te Flames have always seemed to have 2-4 really good Dmen over the past 15 years. You look at teams like the Oilers that can’t seem to find one.

Before the rebuild it was about finding a good centre because our blueline, goalie and wings were solid. Since the rebuild it has been trying to find wingers and goalies because our centre’s and blueline have been solid (Treliving has focuse more on adding to the blueline than any other position swinging his 2 biggest deals for Hamilton and Hamonic).

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Robbob

To the OP, they haven't really drafted Dmen that high. Other than Phaneuf, I think we have only drafted 2 other dmen in the first round (not including last year) that i can recall (Tom and Pelech) and that goes back probably 15 years.

So really it is no surprise that we haven't developed many considering after the first round finding an NHLer drops significantly. I think the current hockey management team that has taken a pretty big step to remedy the situation by using a bunch of the picks on Dmen.

This is true ...

Sutter had one top ten, one late first, and one 2nd round defenseman taken in 8 years

Feaster no first rounders at all, 2 second rounder in three years

Treliving one late first rounder, and 2 second rounders in 4 years.

[cznTiburon]

They didn't draft gio but they did sign and develop him so could be worth including him in the mix

[TheIronMaiden]

It would be interesting to know what the league average is for the number of players on an active roster who where drafted by the team they are playing for.

[The Yen Man]

Could be worse, could be Flames drafting record on goalies. Trevor Kidd is probably the last goalie they drafted that played significant time in the NHL. I can't think of another one since.

Well, I guess there's technically Craig Anderson, but they couldn't even sign him, so that one doesn't really count.

[Delthefunky]

Giordano should be included imo. Even though he wasn't drafted we recognized his talent out of the OHL and gave him a shot.