Kevin Spacey accused of attempted rape by Anthony Rapp when he was 14 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Caged Great · 10-30-2017, 12:08 AM

Anthony Rapp is the chief engineer on the new Star Trek series. Spacey was 26 at the time back in the 80's when this allegedly happened.

Spacey is attempting to deflect by coming out as gay.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/a...knz#.kglxyxOmK

Snuffleupagus · 10-30-2017, 12:29 AM

Why did he wait 32 years? I'm sure glad every 14-16 girl I tried to f*** 30 or so years ago didn't try to destroy my life. Must suck to be rich and famous!

FireGilbert · 10-30-2017, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Why did he wait 32 years? I'm sure glad every 14-16 girl I tried to f*** 30 or so years ago didn't try to destroy my life. Must suck to be rich and famous!

Ummm. Were you also 26 when you tried to have sex with 14-16 year old girls? I really, really hope you meant when you were a teenager but if that was the case then it has zero relevance to this story.

calgaryblood · 10-30-2017, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Why did he wait 32 years? I'm sure glad every 14-16 girl I tried to f*** 30 or so years ago didn't try to destroy my life. Must suck to be rich and famous!

Just awful.

This is exhibit A why people have problems reporting sexual abuse.

savemedrzaius · 10-30-2017, 01:03 AM

Horrible if true.

On a side note I didn't know Spacey was gay or assumed to be gay.

Don't the Panthers use him as a spokesperson kind of?

savemedrzaius · 10-30-2017, 01:08 AM

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Just awful.

This is exhibit A why people have problems reporting sexual abuse.

Exactly.

By the sounds of it this guy has battled with this his whole life and has shown a lot of courage to make it public.

He has a lot more to lose than gain.

afc wimbledon · 10-30-2017, 01:26 AM

Oh for Christ sake, the story is that a drunk 26 year old Kevin Spacey lay on top of the guy after schlepping him and his friend around some nightclubs and then taking them to a party, the guy, 14 at the time, thinks he was trying to seduce him, although has made no accusation that he tried to stop him leaving (which the kid did) or was in anyway violent, whilst, if true, this is still reprehensible it isn't an attempted rape.

Manhattanboy · 10-30-2017, 02:56 AM

Harvey effect?

Oling_Roachinen · 10-30-2017, 04:51 AM

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Oh for Christ sake, the story is that a drunk 26 year old Kevin Spacey lay on top of the guy after schlepping him and his friend around some nightclubs and then taking them to a party, the guy, 14 at the time, thinks he was trying to seduce him, although has made no accusation that he tried to stop him leaving (which the kid did) or was in anyway violent, whilst, if true, this is still reprehensible it isn't an attempted rape.

He attempted to have sexual intercourse with a 14 year old. Having sexual intercourse with a 14 year old is rape. He attempted to rape him.

So, just to be clear, we have a grown ass man try to seduce a 14 year old boy that he brought illegally out to nightclub and then back to his apartment and we've had multiple posters try and defend that? Uggh.

Oling_Roachinen · 10-30-2017, 04:56 AM

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Harvey effect?

Yes. But he had told the story years earlier in a Q&A, just had the name retracted.
https://www.advocate.com/news/2001/0...-everyone-else

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That makes me think of [a certain leading man] in [a certain award-winning film]. It’s hard for me to evaluate his acting because I’m so angry at him. I met him when I was 14 because we were both in plays and he invited me to a party at his house. I was bored, so I was in his bedroom watching TV and didn’t know everybody had left, and he came to the bedroom and he picked me up and lay down on top of me.

Oh, my God! What did you do? I squirmed away and went into the bathroom. I came out and I excused myself, and he’s like “You sure you want to go?” I always wonder if he remembers it, because he was pretty drunk. And he’s had so many.

Just like Weinstein, it's being stated now that it's been a very open secret that Spacey was gay and also into younger boys. Here's Rapp saying that in 2001...

nfotiu · 10-30-2017, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

He attempted to have sexual intercourse with a 14 year old. Having sexual intercourse with a 14 year old is rape. He attempted to rape him.

So, just to be clear, we have a grown ass man try to seduce a 14 year old boy that he brought illegally out to nightclub and then back to his apartment and we've had multiple posters try and defend that? Uggh.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but it would not have been against any laws in Canada at the time even if they went through with it.

Oling_Roachinen · 10-30-2017, 06:15 AM

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but it would not have been against any laws in Canada at the time even if they went through with it.

That would actually depend on the nature of what sex acts occurred. Not that that matters, as it wasn't in Canada and there's a reason the law was changed.

nfotiu · 10-30-2017, 06:32 AM

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That would actually depend on the nature of what sex acts occurred. Not that that matters, as it wasn't in Canada and there's a reason the law was changed.

Can you just go by the laws in these types of cases to decide how morally outraged you should be? An 18 yo having sex with a 17 yo is a rapist in many states. Some states 2 17 year olds having sex with each other are both rapists. Hell, in some states 2 grown men are breaking the law by having sex with each other.

Sure, a 26 year old trying to have sex with a 14 year old is probably morally reprehensible. It does matter somewhat that he didn't try to force him. Also, I don't think Spacey was a big star at the time, so it probably wasn't a case of a guy using his fame or power to take advantage of a situation. What were the laws in New York at the time for attempting to have sex with a minor? I'd be surprised if it was more than a misdemeanor.

Oling_Roachinen · 10-30-2017, 06:54 AM

I’m not basing my moral outrage on the laws. You’re the one who brought up laws, from another time and place and are now asking if it was just a misdemeanour. I’m basing it on the fact that a grown man took a 14 year old out partying and tried to #### him. I’m surprised this appears to be a controversial subject.

JohnnyB · 10-30-2017, 07:02 AM

Well, that sucks.

Erick Estrada · 10-30-2017, 07:06 AM

It sounds like Spacey may have made an unwanted advance but the problem with waiting this long is that it's clear Rapp can't recall the entire story as several times he states he can't recall moments or remember some details. When I was near Rapp's age I can remember my mother being what I believe assaulted by a boyfriend as I still remember some small vivid details but now it's so foggy I would be useless testifying with any accuracy.

It's great that people are coming out about Harvey Weinstein and incidents like this and I know it's easy for me to say but I really wish these people would have the courage to come out immediately after the incident as coming out years after the fact seems to be too easy for big shot lawyers to create doubt due to the fact that memories are malleable constructs that are reconstructed when they are recalled over time.

PepsiFree · 10-30-2017, 07:16 AM

For one, people can support what they believe is Soacey’s recollection of the truth, but the tendency to blame the victim just because you like the actor is pretty despicable. Comments diminishing the accusation as attention seeking, misremembering, etc are a clear sin of (like calgaryblood said) why so many struggle to come forward with stories of sexual abuse.

Secondly, I also don’t believe Spacey is using his sexuality as a means to “deflect” anything. If it is, that’s shameful, but can we also avoid just assuming that coming out is some tool to be used for social gain?

Erick Estrada · 10-30-2017, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

For one, people can support what they believe is Soacey’s recollection of the truth, but the tendency to blame the victim just because you like the actor is pretty despicable. Comments diminishing the accusation as attention seeking, misremembering, etc are a clear sin of (like calgaryblood said) why so many struggle to come forward with stories of sexual abuse.

Secondly, I also don’t believe Spacey is using his sexuality as a means to “deflect” anything. If it is, that’s shameful, but can we also avoid just assuming that coming out is some tool to be used for social gain?

Right on cue. I wasn't sure if you were an early riser but I was awaiting your post. First of all it appears that Spacey did make an advance but it didn't go any further so when you say "victim" let's not sensationalize this like he was raped or something. I've endured several unwanted advances from females over my lifetime and I expect many people have. It's part of life and ideally it doesn't happen but it does because humans are animals at the end of the day. I'm not blaming the victim of anything other than coming out with this far to late.

GordonBlue · 10-30-2017, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

For one, people can support what they believe is Soacey’s recollection of the truth, but the tendency to blame the victim just because you like the actor is pretty despicable. Comments diminishing the accusation as attention seeking, misremembering, etc are a clear sin of (like calgaryblood said) why so many struggle to come forward with stories of sexual abuse.

Secondly, I also don’t believe Spacey is using his sexuality as a means to “deflect” anything. If it is, that’s shameful, but can we also avoid just assuming that coming out is some tool to be used for social gain?

I always respected he kept his sexuality to himself all these years as it's nobody's business.

I think he only officially came out in his statement as he wanted to be fully honest in his response to the accusation, and he wasn't in any way using that as a tool.

I believe him when he said that he honestly doesn't remember. Do I believe he was really drunk and made a move on the kid? yes. does what I think matter? no.

only thing that bugs me is the "shock and horror" people in Hollywood all of a sudden have. the rich and powerful in hollywood have been using that power as a tool to further their desires since Hollywood began.

so many people had so many chances to do something at the time and didn't do anything. their careers were more important than doing what was right.
they just ignored it and turned a blind eye.
kudos to Rapp and any male or female actor who finally feels society has shifted enough that they can come forward.

Hopefully for spacey it was a one time drunken mistake and not like Harvey and a years long history of predatory behavior.
Owning up to the fact that's it's likely true helps, instead of denying it.
but Other than that I don't think there is anything he can do to make it right.

speede5 · 10-30-2017, 07:47 AM

So what should the outcome be?

He made a slimy advance, but apparently didn't force anything. He shouldn't have touched a minor.

It was 32 years ago. Is an apology good enough or does he need to be jailed? Sex offender status. Etc.

And how many times did this happen? How many others didn't say no.