This city is run by idiots

[Resolute 14]

And yet on Deerfoot, there are many signs up pointing to the nightly closures between McKnight and Country Hills.

I agree. The city is so ridiculously inconsistant when it comes to things like this one can't help but to get frustrated.

[calculoso]

If I remember correctly, Deerfoot is handled by the province, not the city. The city workers could learn something....

[metallicat]

Originally posted by fotze@Sep 18 2005, 11:47 AM
Yet they have about 10 policeman after the fact where the hoards of cars are fuming past them at 10 km/h standing around making sure the donuts don't get too stale.

[Incinerator]

Get off at Flanders Ave and use 37 St to get on Glenmore.

[Trujew]

I dont feel sorry for you at all. I was paving that road today.

First of all, yeah ill agree with you, but it's because of the infighting of Jon Ross, Al Epp (Management type people for the paving department) and a few supervisors who all have their own power trips on how they want everything to run, so they decided to shut down crowchild completely. However they dont handle that, traffic ops does and its their decision, how to properly reroute traffic. Which they did not.



Now the interesting part. The tandems hauling the asphalt dont start showing up until after 7am. We start at 6. We have to level course most of the southbound lanes (putting down a thin layer of asphalt to sort of presmooth the road) to that when the paver goes over it, the automatic sensors work properly and your road doesnt become the same bumpy one we just tried to fix.

Anywho during level coursing, the asphalt plants blows the main bearing and goes down for a couple hours (Around 8:30). So we get to sit on our asses and have a coffee break until noon, while they send the tandems with loads downtown to 12 ave to pave that (which is another thread on its own)

Then the supervisor comes out, decides we cant finish paving the whole damn things, and decides to open the left hand lane, because there is congestion all over glenmore, 37st, 33ave etc

Management also decides to pave the right hand lanes (which takes longer because we have to fata around with the merge lanes and lanes that end) so basically we are cutting you off from 50ave


But wait there's more. Since all the traffic has to get off Glenmore, we cant pave up to the flyover. So we have one lane done to a couple manholes before the flyover and they cut off the asphalt trucks at 4pm since the paving department is out of money and they ordered no more overtime whatsoever.


So now you have 1 lane, that goes part way from flanders to just before glenmore with a 2inch lip on the lane because they couldnt get their act together, and the plant brokedown.


So basically, Crowchild should be paved by saturday, the northbound lanes are being done sunday (if they hold schedule), then you can get back to your regularly scheduled programming



OT: I love it how people bitch and complain for 15 years that the roads are shinguardty, yet when we take 12 hours to fix it, it throws their whole life out of whack and cry about it.

Have a complaint? call 311






And for the love of god, I dont care how fataing passed off you are of your inconvenience SLOW THE fata DOWN IN CONSTRUCTION ZONES. The speed limit of 50KPH is there for a reason and I dont feel like learning how to walk again because you were late for church


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[Sittler]

Originally posted by Trujew@Sep 19 2005, 03:50 AM
I dont feel sorry for you at all. I was paving that road today.

First of all, yeah ill agree with you, ...
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What are you talking about?! He wasn't complaining about you doing your job or that the roads were partially closed. He was complaining because this dumb@ss city can't seem to properly let people know that certain areas will be closed off entirely or at least have limited access until they are caught up in it. I'm glad we are going through the bit of pain right now in hopes of having better roadways in the future (that's debateble for some of the crap shortcuts they are calling fixes). But, you go off on some rant that doesn't really address the original topic. You don't feel sorry for him yet you agree with him... huh?!

[ken0042]

Signage is always a problem. The morning I was coming to work on the freshly paved Macleod Trail (northbound.) I was turning left at 11 ave. At about 14 ave there was a sign "Left lane closed ahead."

Now, that should tell me to get out of the left lane. However, knowing how often the signs were wrong, I stayed in my lane. (I was behind a truck so I couldn't see.) Sure enough, the left lane was clear all the way up.

[BlackArcher101]

The main reason city signage is always fata'd is that enforcement is lacking with city workers.

I have worked both the city and highway road maintenance crews. The difference is night and day. Even though they must follow the same rules for signage, highways crew always follow them but city crews rarely do. The reason? Provincial inspectors don't bother looking at city workzones, only highway. They can get away with anything they want.

On the highway, the inspectors made sure every sign was placed correctly down to the meter, angled correctly, everyone was properly dressed and had the correct knowledge to do the job. If anything wrong was found, it meant a "demerit" or fine. However, with the city, you can just place signs wherever you think works, no one will come to tell you it's wrong.

[Trujew]

Originally posted by BlackArcher101@Sep 19 2005, 05:48 PM
The main reason city signage is always fata'd is that enforcement is lacking with city workers.

I have worked both the city and highway road maintenance crews. The difference is night and day. Even though they must follow the same rules for signage, highways crew always follow them but city crews rarely do. The reason? Provincial inspectors don't bother looking at city workzones, only highway. They can get away with anything they want.

On the highway, the inspectors made sure every sign was placed correctly down to the meter, angled correctly, everyone was properly dressed and had the correct knowledge to do the job. If anything wrong was found, it meant a "demerit" or fine. However, with the city, you can just place signs wherever you think works, no one will come to tell you it's wrong.

The reason being, in any zone where the speed is over 60kph, the people actually doing work there cant shut it down. We need to call in traffic ops to do proper signage. They basically come in, set it up then fata off for the rest of they day until we are done.

If they set it up wrong, then so be it but there's nothing the paving crew can do to change that setup. The only thing the supervisors did do was open up the lane (which they werent supposed to, technically)

What are you talking about?! He wasn't complaining about you doing your job or that the roads were partially closed. He was complaining because this dumb@ss city can't seem to properly let people know that certain areas will be closed off entirely or at least have limited access until they are caught up in it. I'm glad we are going through the bit of pain right now in hopes of having better roadways in the future (that's debateble for some of the crap shortcuts they are calling fixes). But, you go off on some rant that doesn't really address the original topic. You don't feel sorry for him yet you agree with him... huh?!

It's been building for a long time, I needed to rant. Wasnt prepared very well ill admit

[Trujew]

Originally posted by ken0042@Sep 19 2005, 03:48 PM
Signage is always a problem. The morning I was coming to work on the freshly paved Macleod Trail (northbound.) I was turning left at 11 ave. At about 14 ave there was a sign "Left lane closed ahead."

Now, that should tell me to get out of the left lane. However, knowing how often the signs were wrong, I stayed in my lane. (I was behind a truck so I couldn't see.) Sure enough, the left lane was clear all the way up.

That was because of the paving on 12 ave which they finished. All the signs should be gone today

[TheyCallMeBruce]

How about Deerfoot and douglas Dale blvd? Anyone live there? Doesn't it seem messed up more so now that the onramp at douglas dale blvd is open? It seems to take a lot longer to exit from the ramp than when they had lights there. Looks like the city didn't anticipate this problem. Now congestion is worse.

[Shazam]

That often happens because people are still getting used to the new roads. Once the suburbian moms figure out what's going on, the traffic will get better.

[Trujew]

Originally posted by Shazam@Sep 19 2005, 08:50 PM
That often happens because people are still getting used to the new roads. Once the suburbian moms figure out what's going on, the traffic will get better.

Agreed. Too many idiots only know 1 way to get to where they want to go

[Shazam]

The one that always makes me shake my head are the people that get onto Beddington Blvd. eastbound, get onto Deerfoot S., and then turn off onto 64 Ave. There's no need for them to get onto Deerfoot... Beddington has a number of previous exits that they could use to get onto 64th...

[ken0042]

Speaking of the Douglasdale Interchange: http://www.trans.gov.ab.ca/Content/doctype...ion/doug-gp.htm

[Tron_fdc]

This is what I like about CP....the community is so big there's bound to be someone on here that can answer your questions.

My question is Glenmore and Elbow.....when is that going to be done and what the hell are they doing? Digging holes to China? Anyone know what is planned at 37st? The traffic line is bad enough as it is at that intersection, I can't imagine what it's going to be like when the Calgary autobahn is opened through Elbow.

[Trujew]

Originally posted by Tron_fdc@Sep 19 2005, 09:51 PM
This is what I like about CP....the community is so big there's bound to be someone on here that can answer your questions.

My question is Glenmore and Elbow.....when is that going to be done and what the hell are they doing? Digging holes to China? Anyone know what is planned at 37st? The traffic line is bad enough as it is at that intersection, I can't imagine what it's going to be like when the Calgary autobahn is opened through Elbow.

The big GE5 interchange is scheduled to be completed 2007 (IIRC)

They need to plow the new lanes through all the way down to 14st, which means they will probably be redoing the 14 st exit somewhat. I used to have a map of what its supposed to look like when its done, but its going to be fun for the next couple years to say the least.

It's all contracted out, so technically its not the city doing the construction anyway

[4X4]

You know, for every two construction zones with people actually working & correct signage, there's one construction zone with no signs, or "left lane closed" when it's not closed, or four workers leaning on shovels while one guy is knee deep in a hole, digging.
I hate to sound cynical, but is there a human in charge of the roads department or is it a monkey?

I can overlook the times when I see 3+ workers standing around, because I't probably a contingency or a smoke break. But nothing is more aggravating than stuff like the first post, where there's no indication of construction until you're past the point of no return. Or signage indicating a closed lane, only to find out that it's not closed (why? Because half the drivers in this city are ######ed, and as soon as they see the sign, they immediately stop & flip on the goddamn signal light, prompting more morons behind them to do the same thing, essentially "creating" a traffic jam).

[ken0042]

Originally posted by Tron_fdc@Sep 19 2005, 03:51 PM
My question is Glenmore and Elbow.....when is that going to be done and what the hell are they doing?

Ask and you shall receive.
http://www.calgarytpo.com/default.as...article&ID=221
http://www.calgarytpo.com/media/pdf_files/...date-apr-05.pdf

(If it's not on Google, it doesn't exist.)

[Trujew]

Originally posted by ken0042@Sep 19 2005, 10:19 PM
Ask and you shall receive.
http://www.calgarytpo.com/default.as...article&ID=221
http://www.calgarytpo.com/media/pdf_files/...date-apr-05.pdf

(If it's not on Google, it doesn't exist.)

They (conveniently) forget to mention that the 99 million approved has skyrocketed to 170 million