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Old 03-08-2017, 11:26 AM   #1
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Default VICE Sports - How the Red Hot Calgary Flames Turned Their Season Around

https://sports.vice.com/ca/article/h...-season-around

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Old 03-08-2017, 11:30 AM   #2
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I think JG breaking his wrist and missing 10 games is valid

people act like the guys a bum and Backlund is the hero...JG still has the best ppg on the team


Team had a ####ty fist six weeks with a new coach and bad tending, since then they are one of the best teams in the NHL

Also, Stone>>>>>>>Wideman

also, "bad conference"

Yeah the one with LA/St. Louis in 8th/9th not the Leafs with 14 loser points or the Islanders lol like the east
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The 5-10-1 start explains a lot about why the Flames are not better positioned, and with better numbers.
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I think it's a good sign that the team has raised their game once it became a dogfight to make the playoffs. That, combined with the scoring depth bodes well for playoff hockey I feel as it tends to be the unsung guys that excel in the playoffs.

I hate the writing style of the article though.
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Old 03-08-2017, 11:49 AM   #5
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That and a tough tough month/stretch in January. If we are 500 in those segments we are comfortably in a battle for the 1st/2nd Div spots no doubt. As it sits we still have a great shot at home ice in the playoffs, looking forward to the stretch here !
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Must say I am not really a fan of their style of writing. I get that VICE is trying to sound hip, but that punchy style doesn't work.
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The 5-10-1 start explains a lot about why the Flames are not better positioned, and with better numbers.
It can't be understated how important a good start is to non-elite teams like the Flames. With the three point system in place and loser point it takes a lot of winning to overcome starting the first 1/4 of the season behind the 8-ball. I think you can let Gulutzan off the hook for the most part when it comes to this season's slow start because of the team adjusting to a news system, new goaltenders, and their best player missing pre-season. Next season however I'm really hoping the organization leaves no stone unturned trying to get the team ready to go out of the gates as there are some players on this team that are historically slow starters and eventually you have to get that corrected.
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Old 03-08-2017, 12:02 PM   #8
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I think the article reads like it was written by someone who is trying to evaluate the Flames' season entirely through statistics.

In fairness, everything he says is very accurate.

What it is missing, IMO, is an awareness that the Flames were a team that was pretty well built, and pretty laden with talent, going into the season.

But for multiple reasons, got off to a terrible start. 5-10-1 and we all know all the reasons why.

Then, they slowly started to get things in order. The special teams got better. The goaltending improved from putrid to decent (or at least ok). Giordano and Hamilton got better, even if Gaudreau, Monahan and Brodie weren't yet firing on all cylinders.

But they still had consistency problems, and still had a few issues.

Then the coach had a little chat with the leadership group.

Since then, the team has really started to 'get' the system. Goaltending has moved from okay to good, if not very good. Brodie has a partner that works and he is now playing like Brodie. Gaudreau and Monahan have a winger and are now playing like Gaudreau and Monahan.

In other words, the team is now looking like the team that many people thought would finish 2nd in the Pacific this year before the season started.

To me, it isn't a case of an okay team that has had an okay season. It is a very good team that had some very serious issues for part the season.

I see three parts to the year:
  1. at the start, they were horrible
  2. for the next 30 or 40 games, they started to fix some things and were okay, though inconsistent
  3. then they put it all together and have been great for the last while

If you look at all three parts in total, you get an average team, which, over the year, is exactly what they've been and is exactly what the author has described.

But if you look a little deeper, you see a tale of three teams. And this third team is a very solid hockey club. And it is the club that people thought it was, or should be.

I don't think the author sees that.
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^ We all knew who was starting the season in Calgary, minus a couple guys.
If Gulutzan learned one thing, it best be to be ready out of the gate.
As much as I hate Micheal Therrien, the Habs (by contrast) had 3 cuts to make going into their final 3 exhibition games, and roared out to a 9-0-1 start.
No team can afford to start as poorly as the Flames did.
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if they had a decent start they would have an "elite" record...add 5 or 6 wins to their totals

Forget January every team has a slump
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Looks like the new coach theory was on point.

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Dear lord that was painful to read.

Nothing of substance with rarely an independent thought other than to bash the Hartley Flames from a few years ago. He literally just regurgitated stats and didn't actually talk about the Flames turnaround at all.

I have no idea why that article was given that title. It wasn't remotely about how the flames turned their season around.
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I don't like all the attention the Flames are getting now
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Old 03-08-2017, 12:14 PM   #14
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if they had a decent start they would have an "elite" record...add 5 or 6 wins to their totals

Forget January every team has a slump
Problem with that is a lot of other teams could say the same thing. 5 or 6 wins is not minor. It's usually the difference between playoffs and no playoffs for average to bad teams.

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Problem with that is a lot of other teams could say the same thing. 5 or 6 wins is not minor. It's usually the difference between playoffs and no playoffs.
I don't think there are many teams that had as many things go wrong as the Flames did in the first 15 games...I am not even saying a hot start, .500 in their first 15 games would have this team looking pretty good right now.


Next season if they get the goal tending all year, should know the systems, no Wideman...there is really no excuse for this not to be a 100+ point team
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Looks like the new coach theory was on point.

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And to finish your post...

Glen Gulutzan, Calgary, 2016-17
- First 16 games, 5-10-1 .344 PT%
- Next 50 games, 31-16-3 .650 PT% (+ .306 PT%) (to date)
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Problem with that is a lot of other teams could say the same thing. 5 or 6 wins is not minor. It's usually the difference between playoffs and no playoffs for average to bad teams.
Except the point is that they aren't an average to bad team. They are a good team that got off to a terrible start. So the comment is valid because if they didn't get off to a bad start, they would be chasing SJ for the division lead, just like many people thought they would before the season started.
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Dear lord that was painful to read.

Nothing of substance with rarely an independent thought other than to bash the Hartley Flames from a few years ago. He literally just regurgitated stats and didn't actually talk about the Flames turnaround at all.

I have no idea why that article was given that title. It wasn't remotely about how the flames turned their season around.
Bang on.
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And to finish your post...

Glen Gulutzan, Calgary, 2016-17
- First 16 games, 5-10-1 .344 PT%
- Next 50 games, 31-16-3 .650 PT% (+ .306 PT%) (to date)
Derp. Beautiful. Just gotta Trelieve. xD
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...I hate the writing style of the article though.
It is honestly difficult to read. I had to stop at several points and re-read sentences and questions a few times just to be sure I understood what the author was trying to get to. The article is not very good at all.
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