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Old 02-03-2017, 08:21 AM   #1
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Guess you can put that in the "well duh" category, but interesting that they are still trying to keep Brodie on the left side.

Friedman also said he thought it was unlikely they move Widema in a trade until they figured out who was playing with Brodie after Wideman is gone. He also did confirm that the Flames have been trying to move Wideman for a long time.
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Not surprised they can't move him. Dennis "PTO" Wideman coming soon to a 2017 training camp near you.
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What is the Flames' fascination with keeping him on the left side? Because he shoots left? Didn't he have his best success playing on the right?
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The commitment to keeping Brodie on the left side is mind blasting
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Am I the only one who thinks Brodie is grossly overrated? He flourished under Robert and that's all. Maybe the brass for Hockey Canada wasn't so out to lunch afterall with the snub.
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This seems like a stubborn (attempt at a) move. Wish we could read Brodie's thoughts on this.
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I'd say our best shot is to pick up another teams prospect that isn't currently in the NHL and would be at risk of being exposed in the expansion draft. Here's some names that might be affordable.

Ville Pokka
Ryan Murphy
Jordan Subban
Scott Mayfield
Ryan Pulock

If we are going to try for an established rhd we will have to pay through the nose. All of these players have some pedigree and their existing teams would have to consider exposing them in expansion draft or move them now and get something for them.
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Am I the only one who thinks Brodie is grossly overrated? He flourished under Robert and that's all. Maybe the brass for Hockey Canada wasn't so out to lunch afterall with the snub.
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What is the Flames' fascination with keeping him on the left side? Because he shoots left? Didn't he have his best success playing on the right?
Maybe just maybe the coaches may have talked to Brodie and he feels comfortable on the left side?

Not like he hasn't played well on the left side before. Personal issues, lack of focus, Wideman are likely all contributing to his lacklustre play this year.
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Am I the only one who thinks Brodie is grossly overrated? He flourished under Robert and that's all. Maybe the brass for Hockey Canada wasn't so out to lunch afterall with the snub.
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Am I the only one who thinks Brodie is grossly overrated? He flourished under Robert and that's all. Maybe the brass for Hockey Canada wasn't so out to lunch afterall with the snub.
So he flourished for 3 years and you think that's some kind of anomaly? Safe to say you are in the minority.
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I'd say our best shot is to pick up another teams prospect that isn't currently in the NHL and would be at risk of being exposed in the expansion draft. Here's some names that might be affordable.

Ville Pokka
Ryan Murphy
Jordan Subban
Scott Mayfield
Ryan Pulock

If we are going to try for an established rhd we will have to pay through the nose. All of these players have some pedigree and their existing teams would have to consider exposing them in expansion draft or move them now and get something for them.
So the Flames give up assets on one of these players then have to expose another d-man (e.g. Giordano), expose 2 more forwards (if they go 8+1 protection scheme), or trade additional assets so Vegas doesn't select them in the expansion draft?

Also Mayfield was on waivers a few months ago, if they thought he was going to be the solution they probably would of claimed him.
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Am I the only one who thinks Brodie is grossly overrated? He flourished under Robert and that's all. Maybe the brass for Hockey Canada wasn't so out to lunch afterall with the snub.
LOL, only flourished under Robert (assuming you mean Bob Hartley) and the only coach he has had for a full season and you came to the conclusion that he has only succeeded under him?
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Is this for this season or after the expansion draft ? We really shouldn't be buying, especially before the expansion draft.
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Ugh...Don't want us to trade for anyone except a superstar goalie or a top six right wing. We need to start filling some holes from within.
We can still move Wiseman and let one of Morrison or Rasmus Duke it out to fill the hole. Both are having strong AHL seasons and deserve a few games. Especially Morrison as we need to see if he can bring it in the NHL.

Our Defence looks fine without Wideman, don't see why replacing him from within is so difficult.

Why do we even bother drafting and signing prospects if all we want is proven players?

Does this belong in the rant thread?
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What is the Flames' fascination with keeping him on the left side? Because he shoots left? Didn't he have his best success playing on the right?
Lots of studies and coaching theory teach that LH defenceman on left side is best, particularly for the transition game, but overall in all three zones. It's not just the Flames who do this. Look at Babcock and the Olympic team.

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https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/03/04...of-handedness/

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/109...ded-defensemen

http://www.iplayhockey.ca/671/right-...t-handed-shots
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The more I think about it, if they are looking for an Alzner type of stay at home guy, perhaps they should give Engelland a long look on the second pairing until a younger guy comes along. Right shot, stay at home and, IMO, could put up about the same points as Alzner (around 5 goals, 20 points) with the added minutes. The only issue is Engelland's shelf life at 34 (compared to 28 year old Alzer).

If a RH quality defenceman can't be obtained in-season, play Wideman bottom pairing for a while, trade him for a pick of some sort (which I still think he gets), give Andersson a shot on bottom pairing right side for the remainder of the year.
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So the Flames give up assets on one of these players then have to expose another d-man (e.g. Giordano), expose 2 more forwards (if they go 8+1 protection scheme), or trade additional assets so Vegas doesn't select them in the expansion draft?

Also Mayfield was on waivers a few months ago, if they thought he was going to be the solution they probably would of claimed him.
Or you send a player who is also expansion eligible (ie Poirier) who we might lose in the draft and hope the d you pick up slides through. Or cut a deal with Vegas not to select the player.
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What about Rasmus Andersson? I don't think we can trade Wideman, no value. Let his contract expire and start fresh with Andersson and Brodie as a pairing.
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