The overall what the hell is this err crap thread

[CaptainCrunch]

Its funny, because I'm still sitting here watching this game at the end of the 2nd period as the Calgary Flames clearly played by the Washington Generals are being completely outclassed by the Harlem Globe trotters.

How did it get to this point? Why am I still watching this garbage? And what's the purpose.

First and foremost to give some background. I've been a Flames fan since they first moved to town. I still remember going to the first games in the Corral and the Saddledome. I remember cheering the unlikely playoff runs in 2004 and in 1986 and the cup run in 1989. I used to hold seasons tickets and go to every game that I could and I used to love doing it.

But somewhere along the way things have changed. Maybe I'm tired of year after year of terrible with brief moments of hope. Maybe I look at the costs of going to a game versus the entertainment value and it makes sense that I dumped my tickets off and maybe go to 4 or 5 games a year.

In Edmonton terms I'm a tier 2 or 3 fan, I don't know what's what.

But as I'm watching this team thoroughly and completely embarrass themselves tonight with no pushback and very little fire I have to wonder how they got to this point.

The easy person to blame is the coach, you know the shiny new coach that they bought in because he was a good systems guy and a good communicator and probably a lighter touch them Bob Hartley. I mean we all loved Bob, he was funny and had these great quips and man the Flames busted their asses for him, well at least for a year and a half. But we heard that he was let go because of the system that he coached, which was really no system. But we also heard rumors that a lot of players were happy to see Bob leave because screw that guy and man he makes us work to hard in practice.

So we bought in the type of coach that the players wanted. How do they thank the Flames, and help out their new coach? By showing a poor work ethic and unwillingness to either learn or play in a system. I have never seen any other team give up so many odd man rushes or flat out breakaways. This is also one of the worst Flames teams in terms of work ethic in a long time.

And how the hell do we fire a coach after one year? Oh its easy a lot of people will say, we'll just get that uber super duper coach. Yeah cause they'll want to come to a team that's going to fire coach after coach after coach.

Well maybe its the GM, That Brad, man he's been a bust. Except he hasn't, from a moves point of view with the exception of some mistakes that aren't really major he's been very good, he's done well on the trading front, he's done well on the contract extension front and it looks like the drafting front.

Ok, here's one, its your fault, you the fans. Now I can see you all pointing at your chests and mouthing the word "Me? What did I do", but hey I can't see you. Maybe we need to start booing the team off of the ice, stop going to the games, stop buying merchandise. Yeah cause the players care about the fans. I hate to break it to you, but they couldn't care a less, they'd prefer to play in front of an empty building at times, especially when they're mailing in stinkers like tonight. The only thing that they really care about is that their game day paycheck is waiting in their bank account, and that the jet is fueled and ready to go the minute the season ends.

Sounds harsh? Maybe? But we all deep down know its true.

A coach doesn't tell a team to loaf around the ice, not hit anybody, not tack rebounds and not drive to the net. You can certainly blame a coach at times if the players check out. But by following an Edmonton Oilers model of firing a coach because the players don't want to work for him or play his system just creates a system of entitlement. Frankly if the players hated hard ass Bob so much that they were happy he was fired, then they'd better start to produce for GG, because in my mind, it should be the players that are accountable for the lack of effort and execution.

The Flames don't need the coaches to embarrass them, they're doing a fine job of it over the last couple of weeks by embarrassing themselves with their poor efforts and poor execution and acting like they want the season to end right at game 82 because screw you.

I'm also standing there seriously questioning the leadership core of this team, Monohan and Gio and Brodie and the others are completely at fault for the wheels falling off. Maybe its time to rip off a letter or two and give them to a Frolik or Backlund or MT because those are the only guys giving it every shift that they can.

Yes, I'm disgruntled and its a long time coming, the Flames have a problem as the fans that have been tortured since the end of the glory days of the early 90's are starting to look at ticket prices and entertainment value and player efforts and wondering if we shouldn't spend our money elsewhere.

To be down 6-1 at the end of the second period, man it happens. To be down to the Oilers in a must win game, its unforgivable.

[SportsJunky]

You said it captain!

Just kidding. I didn't read this.

[Dion]

Time to give Tkachuk a letter. The kids shows more heart than the entire team combined.

The goaltending by Johnson has slipped badly making me wonder if he's all that we thought he was during the first half of the season. And the fact that Gully doesn't have much faith in Elliott.

When Backlund, Frolik and Tkachuk is your best line game in and game out you have to wonder what's wrong with the top 2 lines.

When you play Brodie on his off wing it's not surprising his game has suffered.

[robaur]

Been saying this for so long....love Gio...but the guy's got to go.

Games like this are on the captain....not the coaches, not the GM etc.

[JurassicTunga12]

but yeah.

[blender]

Young team needs to face adversity and grow together.

It is what it is.

[St. Pats]

Originally Posted by robaur

Been saying this for so long....love Gio...but the guy's got to go.

Games like this are on the captain....not the coaches, not the GM etc.

If they are going to make a trade this is for sure the type that is needed. Meaningless moves of fourth liners or 5 and 6 men. Shake them up big time!

[MarkGio]

Garbage coach is not preparing this team or has lost the locker room.

The guy is a rookie head coach. Under Hartley, at least 2/3rds of the roster performed above expectations. Under Gulutzan it is the opposite.

[MisterJoji]

So I guess we're going to see what Brad is made of this summer:

Johnny - Mony - ???
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
??? - Bennett - Brouwer
Ferland - Stajan - Bouma
Hathaway

Gio - Brodie
Hamilton - ???
??? - ???

???
???

That's a lot of holes. He's going to be hard pressed to find a legit 1st line RW. Versteeg is an opinion to bring back for the 3rd line. No need to qualify Chaisson and I'd given Ferland one more year to figure it out. Hathaway should be brought back. Bouma has another year but it might be worth swapping him for, really, anything. Hathaway plays his role for a fraction of the price. Hamilton too.

Not sure any of the D prospects are ready for top 4 NHL minutes either. Could probably survive on the bottom pair with Kulak - and maybe Engelland on a reduced salary.

The 2 closest goalies would be Rittich and Gillies but they are not close to starter material. Bishop maybe with Rittich as backup?

If Jankowski can keep up his play, Bennett could be the best trade bait for a legitimate top 6 RW. Klimchuk seems to be having a good bounce back year as well. The FA pool for RW, outside Radulov is weak, so a trade is probably going to be the way to go.

The Ducks will need to shed salary, Silfverberg <-> Bennett?


Johnny - Mony - Silfverberg
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Klimchuk/Versteeg - Jankowski - Brouwer
Ferland - Stajan - Hathaway/Hamilton

Gio - Brodie
Hamilton - Alzner
Kulak - Engelland/Andersson/Kylington

Bishop
Rittich


Probably be looking for a new coach too. A little over 18 million in cap space.

Silfverberg = 3.75
Versteeg = 1.0
Hathaway = 0.8
Ferland = 1.0
Alzner = 4.0
Engelland = 1.0
Kulak = 0.8
Bishop = 5.5

I don't really know, I'm just killing time because I'm sure as #### not watching the cluster#### on CBC right now.

[Par]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

So I guess we're going to see what Brad is made of this summer:

Johnny - Mony - ???
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
??? - Bennett - Brouwer
Ferland - Stajan - Bouma
Hathaway

Gio - Brodie
Hamilton - ???
??? - ???

???
???

That's a lot of holes. He's going to be hard pressed to find a legit 1st line RW. Versteeg is an opinion to bring back for the 3rd line. No need to qualify Chaisson and I'd given Ferland one more year to figure it out. Hathaway should be brought back. Bouma has another year but it might be worth swapping him for, really, anything. Hathaway plays his role for a fraction of the price. Hamilton too.

Not sure any of the D prospects are ready for top 4 NHL minutes either. Could probably survive on the bottom pair with Kulak - and maybe Engelland on a reduced salary.

The 2 closest goalies would be Rittich and Gillies but they are not close to starter material. Bishop maybe with Rittich as backup?

If Jankowski can keep up his play, Bennett could be the best trade bait for a legitimate top 6 RW. Klimchuk seems to be having a good bounce back year as well. The FA pool for RW, outside Radulov is weak, so a trade is probably going to be the way to go.

The Ducks will need to shed salary, Silfverberg <-> Bennett?


Johnny - Mony - Silfverberg
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Klimchuk/Versteeg - Jankowski - Brouwer
Ferland - Stajan - Hathaway/Hamilton

Gio - Brodie
Hamilton - Alzner
Kulak - Engelland/Andersson/Kylington

Bishop
Rittich


Probably be looking for a new coach too. A little over 18 million in cap space.

Silfverberg = 3.75
Versteeg = 1.0
Hathaway = 0.8
Ferland = 1.0
Alzner = 4.0
Engelland = 1.0
Kulak = 0.8
Bishop = 5.5

I don't really know, I'm just killing time because I'm sure as #### not watching the cluster#### on CBC right now.

Do you really think Alzner will come at $4 mill and after the goalie equipment Change do you want Bishop and with the poteinal that Sam
Bennett has, why are you trading him within the division.

[calgaryblood]

Giordano's contract will haunt us for years to come.

Gaudreau gets slashed, hit, and not a single Flame does anything in a 5 goal game. That's why we are a crappy team.

Ferland watches Stajan take abuse in the corner and casually walks to the corner for a stern talking.

This team has no spine which is weird because last season they did and defended each other even in a losing season. Are they too scared of the refs. I just don't get it.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Par

Do you really think Alzner will come at $4 mill and after the goalie equipment Change do you want Bishop and with the poteinal that Sam
Bennett has, why are you trading him within the division.

Alzner: probably not, just spitballing
Bishop: he's still going to be the best UFA goalie available.
Bennett: don't sell Silfverberg short, kids a stud.

[killer_carlson]

Larsson puts gaudreau on the ice with hard hits twice in the game. No response.

Stajan gets cheapshotted. No response aside from Stajan.

Team gets embarassed on home ice by Edmonton. No emotional response.

Team comes out flat again. Coach and Captain are seemingly tuned out.

[AC]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Larsson puts gaudreau on the ice with hard hits twice in the game. No response.

Stajan gets cheapshotted. No response aside from Stajan.

Actually, Brouwer and Stajan both went after Sekera and Larsson following their chokehold/slam and hits on Gaudreau. I was glad to see it.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Its funny, because I'm still sitting here watching this game at the end of the 2nd period as the Calgary Flames clearly played by the Washington Generals are being completely outclassed by the Harlem Globe trotters.

How did it get to this point? Why am I still watching this garbage? And what's the purpose.

First and foremost to give some background. I've been a Flames fan since they first moved to town. I still remember going to the first games in the Corral and the Saddledome. I remember cheering the unlikely playoff runs in 2004 and in 1986 and the cup run in 1989. I used to hold seasons tickets and go to every game that I could and I used to love doing it.

But somewhere along the way things have changed. Maybe I'm tired of year after year of terrible with brief moments of hope. Maybe I look at the costs of going to a game versus the entertainment value and it makes sense that I dumped my tickets off and maybe go to 4 or 5 games a year.

In Edmonton terms I'm a tier 2 or 3 fan, I don't know what's what.

But as I'm watching this team thoroughly and completely embarrass themselves tonight with no pushback and very little fire I have to wonder how they got to this point.

The easy person to blame is the coach, you know the shiny new coach that they bought in because he was a good systems guy and a good communicator and probably a lighter touch them Bob Hartley. I mean we all loved Bob, he was funny and had these great quips and man the Flames busted their asses for him, well at least for a year and a half. But we heard that he was let go because of the system that he coached, which was really no system. But we also heard rumors that a lot of players were happy to see Bob leave because screw that guy and man he makes us work to hard in practice.

So we bought in the type of coach that the players wanted. How do they thank the Flames, and help out their new coach? By showing a poor work ethic and unwillingness to either learn or play in a system. I have never seen any other team give up so many odd man rushes or flat out breakaways. This is also one of the worst Flames teams in terms of work ethic in a long time.

And how the hell do we fire a coach after one year? Oh its easy a lot of people will say, we'll just get that uber super duper coach. Yeah cause they'll want to come to a team that's going to fire coach after coach after coach.

Well maybe its the GM, That Brad, man he's been a bust. Except he hasn't, from a moves point of view with the exception of some mistakes that aren't really major he's been very good, he's done well on the trading front, he's done well on the contract extension front and it looks like the drafting front.

Ok, here's one, its your fault, you the fans. Now I can see you all pointing at your chests and mouthing the word "Me? What did I do", but hey I can't see you. Maybe we need to start booing the team off of the ice, stop going to the games, stop buying merchandise. Yeah cause the players care about the fans. I hate to break it to you, but they couldn't care a less, they'd prefer to play in front of an empty building at times, especially when they're mailing in stinkers like tonight. The only thing that they really care about is that their game day paycheck is waiting in their bank account, and that the jet is fueled and ready to go the minute the season ends.

Sounds harsh? Maybe? But we all deep down know its true.

A coach doesn't tell a team to loaf around the ice, not hit anybody, not tack rebounds and not drive to the net. You can certainly blame a coach at times if the players check out. But by following an Edmonton Oilers model of firing a coach because the players don't want to work for him or play his system just creates a system of entitlement. Frankly if the players hated hard ass Bob so much that they were happy he was fired, then they'd better start to produce for GG, because in my mind, it should be the players that are accountable for the lack of effort and execution.

The Flames don't need the coaches to embarrass them, they're doing a fine job of it over the last couple of weeks by embarrassing themselves with their poor efforts and poor execution and acting like they want the season to end right at game 82 because screw you.

I'm also standing there seriously questioning the leadership core of this team, Monohan and Gio and Brodie and the others are completely at fault for the wheels falling off. Maybe its time to rip off a letter or two and give them to a Frolik or Backlund or MT because those are the only guys giving it every shift that they can.

Yes, I'm disgruntled and its a long time coming, the Flames have a problem as the fans that have been tortured since the end of the glory days of the early 90's are starting to look at ticket prices and entertainment value and player efforts and wondering if we shouldn't spend our money elsewhere.

To be down 6-1 at the end of the second period, man it happens. To be down to the Oilers in a must win game, its unforgivable.

At least you were around for the cup win. Season after season of mediacority mixed in with a heartbreaking cup loss is what I have as memories. Don't get me wrong I love this team but I would way rather be #### and bottom than in the ####ingg middle which this team has been for the past 2 decades. I'm sorry but I ####in hate being average every year.

[Beninho]

Put me in the camp of people who want to trade verteran players on this team for draft picks. Gio is not worth that contract in any sense since he signed it. He's our captain and he's been ####e let's just be honest here. He is not the player we signed to that contract and if we could trade him for high picks I will be very happy. Team is rebuilding, let's not sugar coat it, management needs to make moves or this team is destined to continue repeating mediacority

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by AC

Actually, Brouwer and Stajan both went after Sekera and Larsson following their chokehold/slam and hits on Gaudreau. I was glad to see it.

I dont recall that at all from the broadcast.

[AC]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I dont recall that at all from the broadcast.

Guess they didn't show it on the broadcast then.

Brouwer went after Sekera and was giving him a lot for crosschecks and looked to be challenging him to fight.

Stajan had Larsson down and pinned against the boards feeding him shots behind the play, then went after him again later in the 3rd.

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Larsson puts gaudreau on the ice with hard hits twice in the game. No response.

Stajan gets cheapshotted. No response aside from Stajan.

Team gets embarassed on home ice by Edmonton. No emotional response.

Team comes out flat again. Coach and Captain are seemingly tuned out.

I lost count of how many times this synopsis was written about the Oilers over the past 7+ years. It leaves you numb after awhile. Don't get me wrong - I don't exactly feel sympathy for your plight but I know EXACTLY how you're feeling.


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[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I dont recall that at all from the broadcast.

Sportsnet completely missed it. They thought the scrum was because the oilers were upset about some phantom goalie interference when it was actually the flames upset about Stajan getting smoked when he was no where near the puck by sekera.