[Game Takes] Capitals 3 Flames 1

[Bingo]

http://www.calgarypuck.com/2016/10/g...ls-3-flames-1/

[DoubleK]

Fully agree that Gio's the goat. It's not a given that they tie it up at the end, but that was an awful pass leading to the empty netter.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Special teams are the clear Goat in my opinion. Abysmal PP.

[Five-hole]

The offense was off last night, but limiting the Caps to one goal on a total breakdown and another on a perfect PP play is a good sign. This system should keep the Flames in most games.

Now just to fix the zone entries. Too much dump and chase, and more to the point, too much dump and chase where the puck wasn't placed to actually retrieve it.

Gio flubbed the pass at the end, and I'm not sure it was a great choice to go back to that man (Gaudreau?) even if he hadn't, but you can't pin the loss on that play. People need to relax and stop jumping all over our players for mistakes that could happen to anyone. That was a respectable effort against a top team, especially for a team still working out the kinks and whose top players are still a bit off.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

Gio flubbed the pass at the end, and I'm not sure it was a great choice to go back to that man (Gaudreau?) even if he hadn't, but you can't pin the loss on that play. People need to relax and stop jumping all over our players for mistakes that could happen to anyone. That was a respectable effort against a top team, especially for a team still working out the kinks and whose top players are still a bit off.

agreed. Funny because I thought I said he's not the goat, but read above someone agreeing with me that he was.

I didn't like Wideman and Stajan's coverage on the first goal, but I don't think the goat category was built on looking for a mistake and jumping on the guy.

It's more a player that literally blew it or ... a face of the game that seriously under performed.

[ricardodw]

why does the lineup not reflect reality?

Gio- Wideman
Brodie Engelland
Jokipakka- hamilton

Over the last 3 games link

gio has had Wideman on with him 93.4% of the time
Brodie has had Engelland on with him 83.9 % of the time
Hamilton has Jokipakka/Grossman 84.3%

[timbit]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

why does the lineup not reflect reality?

Gio- Wideman
Brodie Engelland
Jokipakka- hamilton

Over the last 3 games link

gio has had Wideman on with him 93.4% of the time
Brodie has had Engelland on with him 83.9 % of the time
Hamilton has Jokipakka/Grossman 84.3%

Speaking of reflection and reality...curious in how you would rank the D from best to worst up to this point, based on performance.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by timbit

Speaking of reflection and reality...curious in how you would rank the D from best to worst up to this point, based on performance.

Since Wideman got back on the top pairing came back you can see the difference in the team.

Hamilton is the best #5 d-man in the league.... plays much better in a a smaller role, Like that he is starting to use his size and even kill penalites

[timbit]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Since Wideman got back on the top pairing came back you can see the difference in the team.

Hamilton is the best #5 d-man in the league.... plays much better in a a smaller role, Like that he is starting to use his size and even kill penalites

You completely avoided my question.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by timbit

You completely avoided my question.

well i will differ to the Flames coaches

1. Gio
2. Brodie
3 Wideman
4 Engelland
5. Hamilton
6. Jokipakka
7. Grossman

[timbit]

I believe you mean " defer".

From a performance ranking viewpoint ( up to this point), taking into account expectations, I see it as:
Hamilton
Engelland
Wideman
Jokipaakka
Brodie
Giordano
Grossman

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by timbit

I believe you mean " defer".

From a performance ranking viewpoint ( up to this point), taking into account expectations, I see it as:
Hamilton
Engelland
Wideman
Jokipaakka
Brodie
Giordano
Grossman

I don't get the usefullness of the "taking into account expectations" modifier when discussing ice times, pairings, and who has earned what role.

If Brodie is the second best defenseman on the ice right now, he should get more ice time and a more prominent role than everyone but the one guy above him, even if his actual play is disappointing and another guy is exceeding his expectations, though not to the point of being better on the ice than Brodie.

And before anyone asks, I haven't seen enough games to come up with an informed ranking of my own

[Strange Brew]

It's not totally irrelevant that 2 Flame coaches play Hamilton less minutes than one would expect. #5 again this year in TOI.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It's not totally irrelevant that 2 Flame coaches play Hamilton less minutes than one would expect. #5 again this year in TOI.

He's still young and developing and seems to be a slow starter. By Christmas I anticipate he will be getting #3/4 minutes.

[Strange Brew]

nm

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by timbit

I believe you mean " defer".

From a performance ranking viewpoint ( up to this point), taking into account expectations, I see it as:
Hamilton
Engelland
Wideman
Jokipaakka
Brodie
Giordano
Grossman

so do you think that Hamilton would perform better or worse if he was allowed on the ice when Ovechkin was also on the ice?

Hamilton has the physical attributes (size, reach, skating) to match up against Ovechkin and yet the coaches, with the last change, did all they could to avoid to putting out Hamilton to defend against Ovechkin. How does that fit in to your analysis of playing to expectations?

If your expectations are that Hamilton will be a good #5 defensman playing the PP and against the other teams secondary players then I agree he is exceeding them over the last 5 games .... since Wideman took over his top-4 role.

There are limited finite minutes that Hamilton gets to play when he is being sheltered.

[icecube]

Can you just change your username to "Dougie Hamilton Aspergers" or "Dougie Hamilton OCD" already?

[icecube]

The Dougie Hamilton version of Springs1