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Old 09-29-2016, 09:36 AM   #1
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This is from Russia Today (which is essentially a Moscow propaganda channel for those that don't know). So if they're comparing it to the KGB, it's because Putin wants that comparison to be made.

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The Russian authorities are planning to implement major reforms to law enforcement agencies, merging the federal security, federal bodyguard and foreign intelligence services into a structure similar to the Soviet-era KGB, a business daily reports.

Quoting multiple unnamed sources, the Kommersant newspaper wrote that the reforms are scheduled for the nearest future and will be completed before the presidential elections of 2018.

The planned result is the creation of the Ministry for State Security, or MGB – the agency uniting the currently independent Federal Security Committee (FSB), Federal Bodyguard Service (FSO) and Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR).
Love the timing too, right before the next presidential election. Slight hint to the voters maybe?
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I believe the KGB went "away" in name only.
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So what's gonna happen to fsb then
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The show trials, we need some trials! And then I will know that all is as it should be.
To answer Violator, FSB will just be a department of the KGB/MGB, as opposed to an independent agency
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That add can't be a coincidence.

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That add can't be a coincidence.

Isn't it based on your browsing history?

She's just gonna leave you after her citizenship is completed Nyah.
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I believe the KGB went "away" in name only.
No it actually went away for a while after the wall fell and they split the services and riffed most of their senior officers.

But yeah, merging it all back into one official organization under the "enlightend" control of one individual sounds like the rebirth of the KGB.

All they need to do is re-open all of the interrogation cells in the basement of Lefortovo prison and put the clothes closet back up to hide the directors office and they're good to go.
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I believe the KGB went "away" in name only.
That's only a half-truth. The FSB has been considered the heirs to KGB, but they really only have part of the powers that KGB had.

Back in the day KGB was split into several agencies specifically so that the no agency couldn't control the people the way KGB had done.

This is why putting the agencies back together is such a huge symbolic move.
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America has the secret service, CIA, FBI, NSA but everyone freaks out when Russia gets their own secret service.
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America has the secret service, CIA, FBI, NSA but everyone freaks out when Russia gets their own secret service.
Those organizations all have seperate agenda's and oversite at a congressional level for example. The CIA is concerned with foreign operations, the FBI national and the NSA is signal intelligence. But they're all completely seperate and have their own over site rules.

What Putin is doing is basically bringing that all together so they can operate foreign and domestic and instead of oversight on seperate bodies, the oversite will basically be in the ultimate hands of the office of the president or whatever he calls it now.
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Those organizations all have seperate agenda's and oversite at a congressional level for example. The CIA is concerned with foreign operations, the FBI national and the NSA is signal intelligence. But they're all completely seperate and have their own over site rules.

What Putin is doing is basically bringing that all together so they can operate foreign and domestic and instead of oversight on seperate bodies, the oversite will basically be in the ultimate hands of the office of the president or whatever he calls it now.
Putin should call it 'Homeland Security'.
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ok, you've got me there.

Homeland security is a lot more nebulous and far reaching because its suppossed to amalgamate all of the other services for information sharing
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Those organizations all have seperate agenda's and oversite at a congressional level for example. The CIA is concerned with foreign operations, the FBI national and the NSA is signal intelligence. But they're all completely seperate and have their own over site rules.

What Putin is doing is basically bringing that all together so they can operate foreign and domestic and instead of oversight on seperate bodies, the oversite will basically be in the ultimate hands of the office of the president or whatever he calls it now.
Don't forget that they're also bringing their equivalent of Secret Service into the fold.

Imagine a high ranking Russian official trying to look into a possible KGB wrongdoing, when he has armed KGB men literally following him everywhere.

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America has the secret service, CIA, FBI, NSA but everyone freaks out when Russia gets their own secret service.
Who's freaking out?

But again, the symbolism here is pretty obvious, and as I said it's about more than the three letters. Bringing back a KGB-like organization (and specifically calling it KGB-like) only a couple of decades after it was abolished is kind of like bringing back the Nazi-party circa 1970 or bringing in English troops to protect the US government circa 1800.

It's the exact thing a lot of people fought against when they wanted to end the Soviet Union. (Of course there was less bloodshed in the 1990's, so the comparison doesn't quite work. But I'm feeling lazy.)

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Don't forget that they're also bringing their equivalent of Secret Service into the fold.

Imagine a high ranking Russian official trying to look into a possible KGB wrongdoing, when he has armed KGB men literally following him everywhere.
aka, the good old days.
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Don't forget that they're also bringing their equivalent of Secret Service into the fold.

Imagine a high ranking Russian official trying to look into a possible KGB wrongdoing, when he has armed KGB men literally following him everywhere.
That was the problem with the original KGB, they held the keys to all of the nuclear weapons, they for the most part had units and individuals embedded with the military, even when the military had its own version of the KGB, the KGB had it completely infiltrated.

the KGB was literally the king makers in Russia, in a similar way that right now in North Korea their Internal Security apparatus holds incredible power.

There were a lot of Russian leaders that suddenly fell ill or had heart attacks and had to retire, just because the KGB as the sword and shield of the party decided it.
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That was the problem with the original KGB, they held the keys to all of the nuclear weapons, they for the most part had units and individuals embedded with the military, even when the military had its own version of the KGB, the KGB had it completely infiltrated.

the KGB was literally the king makers in Russia, in a similar way that right now in North Korea their Internal Security apparatus holds incredible power.

There were a lot of Russian leaders that suddenly fell ill or had heart attacks and had to retire, just because the KGB as the sword and shield of the party decided it.
Remind me again what Putin used to do before becoming King of Russia?
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Remind me again what Putin used to do before becoming King of Russia?
Professional tourist.

He was there to make the other guys look less stereotypically russian.

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