Flames assign Poirier to Stockton - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

nemanja2306 · 04-03-2016, 11:40 AM

Per the Flames site. Not surprising.

hockey.modern · 04-03-2016, 11:47 AM

I guess Frolik is back and ready to go.

dammage79 · 04-03-2016, 11:48 AM

Maybe I was missing the little things, but he didn't impress much in his shortened stint.

btimbit · 04-03-2016, 11:52 AM

Can tell he's worked on his defensive game, but I'm still not seeing some of the things that were advertised like speed on the rush.

He's got a lot of time to figure it out though

N-E-B · 04-03-2016, 11:55 AM

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Maybe I was missing the little things, but he didn't impress much in his shortened stint.

Nor I. He was bigger than I thought, but didn't do a whole lot.

Erick Estrada · 04-03-2016, 12:24 PM

He's progressing fine. He's going to take a little longer than hoped but you can see there's potential there to at least be an NHL player. I'm just not sure if the offensive talent will translate into a top 6 winger the team probably hoped for when they drafted him. Just because Monahan and Bennett graduated to the NHL quickly it's simply not the norm and Flames fans are starting to forget what patience means when it comes to evaluating prospects.

PeteMoss · 04-04-2016, 07:27 AM

I'm always surprised at the lack of aggressiveness in Poirier's game. He was advertised as a guy who could skate and would be in everyone's face but he seems much more casual every time he's with the Flames. Haven't seen him in the AHL so perhaps he's different down there.

442scotty · 04-04-2016, 07:32 AM

Looks like hes still trying to find his game (thinking too much ) instead of just going out and playing like he can...

polak · 04-04-2016, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's progressing fine. He's going to take a little longer than hoped but you can see there's potential there to at least be an NHL player. I'm just not sure if the offensive talent will translate into a top 6 winger the team probably hoped for when they drafted him. Just because Monahan and Bennett graduated to the NHL quickly it's simply not the norm and Flames fans are starting to forget what patience means when it comes to evaluating prospects.

I'm sorry but this was the mantra for all of the Sutter drafts and almost none of those picks panned out. We were told to have patience for Boyd, we were told to have patience with Chucko, we were told to have patience with Negrin and I could go on and on. I'm not buying it. It seems to be getting pretty easy to tell who will have a meaningful NHL career and who won't by how early they start gelling in the NHL. All of those picks and only Backlund and Brodie ever became career NHL'ers.

Chances are if a prospect doesn't start showing they can hang in the NHL early, they never will. Not saying they have to be racking up points but they need to contribute in some way (i.e. Ferland).

Would be far more surprised if Poirier made it at this point then if he didn't. I think this camp will be the make or break.

Vulcan · 04-04-2016, 10:07 AM

NHLers drafted by Darryl
2010 - Ferland
2009 - Ortio
2008 - Bouma, Brodie
2007 - Backlund
2006 -
2005 -
2004 - Prust, Pardy, Cracknell?
2003 - Phaneuf

In his defence, he traded a lot of picks for immediate help to make the playoffs.

Strange Brew · 04-04-2016, 10:08 AM

Yep. Next year's camp is a big deal for Poirier. Not sure he needs to make the team but he needs to show significant progression.

MarkGio · 04-04-2016, 10:09 AM

Giordano looked like he couldn't hang at one point, as did Ferland. Even Backlund was starting to look like he wasn't going to score more than 10 goals a season. Ortio didn't look like he would ever win a game and Colborne looked like he topped out as a shoot out specialist.

PeteMoss · 04-04-2016, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by polak

I'm sorry but this was the mantra for all of the Sutter drafts and almost none of those picks panned out. We were told to have patience for Boyd, we were told to have patience with Chucko, we were told to have patience with Negrin and I could go on and on. I'm not buying it. It seems to be getting pretty easy to tell who will have a meaningful NHL career and who won't by how early they start gelling in the NHL. All of those picks and only Backlund and Brodie ever became career NHL'ers.

Chances are if a prospect doesn't start showing they can hang in the NHL early, they never will. Not saying they have to be racking up points but they need to contribute in some way (i.e. Ferland).

Would be far more surprised if Poirier made it at this point then if he didn't. I think this camp will be the make or break.

There's a difference between over-ripening and these guys stagnating. People want to point to Detroit and allow their guys to ripen in the minors but those guys were tearing up the AHL and coming up and making an impact in the NHL in their call-ups.

There's nothing saying the Poirier is not going to be an NHL player but the odds of him being a top 6 guy at this point are slim.

PeteMoss · 04-04-2016, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MarkGio

Giordano looked like he couldn't hang at one point, as did Ferland. Even Backlund was starting to look like he wasn't going to score more than 10 goals a season. Ortio didn't look like he would ever win a game and Colborne looked like he topped out as a shoot out specialist.

Gio was good whenever he came up. Sutter wouldn't give him a one way contract and it was a mistake but most people always thought he could play.

Backlund scored 10 goals in his first full season and then got hurt a bunch. I don't think many thought he wouldn't score more than 10 if healthy.

Colborne I will give you.

Strange Brew · 04-04-2016, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MarkGio

Giordano looked like he couldn't hang at one point, as did Ferland. Even Backlund was starting to look like he wasn't going to score more than 10 goals a season. Ortio didn't look like he would ever win a game and Colborne looked like he topped out as a shoot out specialist.

I don't see that any of these guys are comparable to Poirier. That is a weird list.

heep223 · 04-04-2016, 10:18 AM

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I don't see that any of these guys are comparable to Poirier. That is a weird list.

Maybe Ferland a bit.

polak · 04-04-2016, 10:20 AM

Yeah and Bouma, Ferland, Ortio and Cracknell are FAR from locks for hitting 400 games and being career NHL'ers.

Pardy, Brodie and Backlund look like they will. Phaneuf and Prust already have. Phaneuf obviously took the league by storm right away and Prust is a grinder and has only played 3 seasons with more than 60 games. Certainly not what you hope Poirier turns into but okay, lets count him too.

So out of all of the picks in the Darryl Sutter era, and all this patience preaching, only 4 NHL'ers started off slow and carved out a career in the NHL. Now if you ignore Defenseman who traditionally start of slow, that leaves two slow start forwards out of 8 drafts.... one of whom topped out as a grinder who doesn't draw in more often than not.

I hope he proves me wrong but the odds are against Poirier.

(As for Colborne, not counting him since he's not a Flames pick but I'm also not sold on him. One month of solid play doesn't erase the rest of his career. If he continues this next year then we can start assuming he can maintain that level)

saXon · 04-04-2016, 10:42 AM

For some reason, even now that he's earned a 1 way contract this season, I've always viewed Ferland as a tweener. I like his style of play (when he's on his game), and he was the bane of vancouver's existence in the playoffs last season, but it's almost as if he had something to play for then (pissing off bieksa). I haven't been really impressed with his play this season.

I don't quite see him as an NHL regular yet.

I had high hopes for Poirier and I still do, but I would like to see more fire under the arses of these types of players. You see guys like Jooris (in his first season) and Hathaway fighting to carve out an NHL career. I just dont see that drive with Poirier every time he's been called up.

neo45 · 04-04-2016, 11:55 AM

Poirer has shown absolutely nothing in his NHL appearances. That is reason enough to be worried. You want to at least see flashes

Vulcan · 04-04-2016, 12:11 PM

I thought Poirier in his last call up looked fine. Not great but he didn't look out of place or star struck. He got involved but not much has happened for him yet. Small steps people.