TOI difference from 2014-15 to this year

[ricardodw]

Only 3 games left in this season (180 or so minutes) here is what this years version of the team looks like compared to last years playoff team.

The missing minutes that had the biggest impact IMHO are Brodie and Hudler and Wideman for talent and Bouma, Byron, Glencross for character and grit

The additional minutes of Bennett, Ferland and Hathaway did not make up for the loss of energy.

player _ minutes toi diff from 2014-15
Dougie Hamilton _ 1562
Sam Bennett _ 1104
Michael Frolik _ 1011
Micheal Ferland _ 585
Mark Giordano _ 425
Mikael Backlund _ 376
Jakub Nakladal _ 353
Matt Stajan _ 267
Jyrki Jokipakka _ 261
Garnet Hathaway _ 168
Derek Grant _ 138
Tyler Wotherspoon _ 136
Johnny Gaudreau _ 104
Brett Kulak _ 79
Joe Colborne _ 76
Hunter Shinkaruk _ 65
Freddie Hamilton _ 51
Kenny Agostino _ 27
Corban Knight _ -13
John Ramage _ -18
Emile Poirier _ -20
David Wolf _ -28
Max Reinhart _ -32
Brian McGrattan _ -53
Corey Potter _ -58
Brandon Bollig _ -66
Sean Monahan _ -78
Deryk Engelland _ -85
Drew Shore _ -117
Sven Baertschi _ -138
Devin Setoguchi _ -146
Ladislav Smid _ -178
Josh Jooris _ -190
David Jones _ -206
David Schlemko _ -240
Markus Granlund _ -240
TJ Brodie _ -337
Mason Raymond _ -486
Jiri Hudler _ -522
Lance Bouma _ -573
Raphael Diaz _ -673
Kris Russell _ -725
Paul Byron _ -825
Curtis Glencross _ -883
Dennis Wideman _ -920

[Funkhouser]

Any analysis to go with this data?

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Any analysis to go with this data?

Lol you looked at the poster right?

[SportsJunky]

Grit!

[N-E-B]

I'm a bit confused by this. The data kind of makes sense, but what is your point?

[indes]

I know people are piling on because it's Ricardow but I thought it was interesting.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Only 3 games left in this season (180 or so minutes) here is what this years version of the team looks like compared to last years playoff team.

The missing minutes that had the biggest impact IMHO are Brodie and Hudler and Wideman for talent and Bouma, Byron, Glencross for character and grit

The additional minutes of Bennett, Ferland and Hathaway did not make up for the loss of energy.

player _ minutes toi diff from 2014-15
Dougie Hamilton _ 1562
Sam Bennett _ 1104
Michael Frolik _ 1011
Micheal Ferland _ 585
Mark Giordano _ 425
Mikael Backlund _ 376
Jakub Nakladal _ 353
Matt Stajan _ 267
Jyrki Jokipakka _ 261
Garnet Hathaway _ 168
Derek Grant _ 138
Tyler Wotherspoon _ 136
Johnny Gaudreau _ 104
Brett Kulak _ 79
Joe Colborne _ 76
Hunter Shinkaruk _ 65
Freddie Hamilton _ 51
Kenny Agostino _ 27
Corban Knight _ -13
John Ramage _ -18
Emile Poirier _ -20
David Wolf _ -28
Max Reinhart _ -32
Brian McGrattan _ -53
Corey Potter _ -58
Brandon Bollig _ -66
Sean Monahan _ -78
Deryk Engelland _ -85
Drew Shore _ -117
Sven Baertschi _ -138
Devin Setoguchi _ -146
Ladislav Smid _ -178
Josh Jooris _ -190
David Jones _ -206
David Schlemko _ -240
Markus Granlund _ -240
TJ Brodie _ -337
Mason Raymond _ -486
Jiri Hudler _ -522
Lance Bouma _ -573
Raphael Diaz _ -673
Kris Russell _ -725
Paul Byron _ -825
Curtis Glencross _ -883
Dennis Wideman _ -920

Just to be sure I'm reading this right. Are you saying Hamilton played 1562 minutes this year more than last year, or Hamilton played 1562 minutes more this year than last year as a Calgary Flame?

I find it especially interesting that Ferland and Stajan got more minutes and Brodie received significantly less.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Just to be sure I'm reading this right. Are you saying Hamilton played 1562 minutes this year more than last year, or Hamilton played 1562 minutes more this year than last year as a Calgary Flame?

I find it especially interesting that Ferland and Stajan got more minutes and Brodie received significantly less.

Why is Brodie interesting? The reason why his minutes are down are due to injury. Played 81 games last year, only 67-70 this season.

[TheScorpion]

I'm really confused. What am I supposed to realize from this?

[ricardodw]

Stajan and Backlund had more ice time than the year before.

Of the heroes of the stretch run and playoffs 4 out of the 6 years that carried the team Hudler, Russell and Wideman and Brodie for various reasons had diminished roles.


Gaudreau and Monahan were basically the same part of the team as they were the year before. Maybe they can get better but not likely to get more ice time going forward.

Engelland not getting any more ice time after his stretch run and playoffs is somewhat surprising.

[mrdonkey]

Interesting to see that Stajan got so much more ice time this year, but Jooris was way down. PK time making up the difference?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm really confused. What am I supposed to realize from this?

Whatever you want.

Just a purely numerically representation of the composition of the Flames year over year.

[JJ1532]

There is almost nothing you can read into these stats. The majority are either injury related(Brodie being down, Backlund, Colborn and Stajan being up etc) or are additiong/subtraction related(Frolik, Hamilton in, Glencross, Byron out etc).

Very few of the changes from last season are form related.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Stajan and Backlund had more ice time than the year before.

Of the heroes of the stretch run and playoffs 4 out of the 6 years that carried the team Hudler, Russell and Wideman and Brodie for various reasons had diminished roles.


Gaudreau and Monahan were basically the same part of the team as they were the year before. Maybe they can get better but not likely to get more ice time going forward.

Engelland not getting any more ice time after his stretch run and playoffs is somewhat surprising.

Hudler and Russel were traded...so of course they wont have as many minutes played.

Same with Wideman who was suspended for 19 games and Brodie who was injured for the first month of the season.

really not sure where you are trying to go with this.

If you want a useful comparable. just use TOI per game.

[Funkhouser]

It would be more useful if listed as average TOI per game...due to scratches, injuries, acquisitions, etc, we cannot make much of an educated analysis with this data

NM: What transplant 99 said

[PugnaciousIntern]

Yeah, this information is unfortunately completely out of context until we see TOI / game. It's an interesting concept though

[Azhouse]

you have cracked the code kind sir!

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Without reference to TOI per game, this is a summary of addition/subtraction due to injury or trade, for the most part. It doesn't say much.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by transplant99

If you want a useful comparable. just use TOI per game.

Better statisticians than he have already created the metrics that operate on a per game or per 60 minutes scale. Ricardodw's dream of inventing the next great stat depends on one of his inane ideas turning out to mean something. In this case though? Back to the drawing board.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Hudler and Russel were traded...so of course they wont have as many minutes played.

Same with Wideman who was suspended for 19 games and Brodie who was injured for the first month of the season.

really not sure where you are trying to go with this.

If you want a useful comparable. just use TOI per game.

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

It would be more useful if listed as average TOI per game...due to scratches, injuries, acquisitions, etc, we cannot make much of an educated analysis with this data

NM: What transplant 99 said

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

Yeah, this information is unfortunately completely out of context until we see TOI / game. It's an interesting concept though

okay fellow CPers I am waiting for your thread where you show the analysis of what went wrong with the Flames this season as compared to the last miracle season base on TOI/game.