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WinnipegFan · 06-14-2016, 09:45 AM

Just wondering what the thoughts of CP are on this:

http://edmontonjournal.com/news/loca...-minister-said

Fighting Banana Slug · 06-14-2016, 09:52 AM

That sounds good on paper. Changing curriculum can be a bit of a political hot potato, as evidenced by a lack of change over the last 30 years.

polak · 06-14-2016, 09:53 AM

Tipical NDP. Spending mony on revu's. Kids can already reed fayne!!

CaptainCrunch · 06-14-2016, 09:55 AM

If we're going to do this then it has to be quantified by putting in a proper system of evaluating the teachers that are teaching it.

peter12 · 06-14-2016, 09:59 AM

I don't like the idea of eliminating rote memory learning just because... Google.

CaptainCrunch · 06-14-2016, 10:03 AM

I think google should be banned from being used in schools unless they can back it with proper research methods.

What we need to add is more data interpretive skills. Make them analyze and argue conclusions instead of memorize.

Why did WW1 happen, what were the effects of the Great Naval Races and Empire building.

What was the effect of the Great Depression on the rise of dictatorships and facist ideology.

Why does 4x4=16

Northendzone · 06-14-2016, 10:16 AM

I wonder what the expected implementation time would be - 5-7 years from conception to implementation?

Resolute 14 · 06-14-2016, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by peter12

I don't like the idea of eliminating rote memory learning just because... Google.

I would hope the goal isn't to eliminate rote memory learning, but to make the process more useful.

When I took my A+ certification, the exam focused a lot on things like setting IRQs and how to set jumpers on various pieces of hardware, despite the need to do so being largely obsolete for almost a decade at that point. So memorizing stuff like that for no reason other than to write an exam was a waste of my time. The proper solution is to encourage me to memorize things that are useful to the modern situation.

As far as this plan goes, updating curriculum is a good thing. However, the needlessly aggressive timeline the NDP are working toward indicates this is going to be half-assed.

killer_carlson · 06-14-2016, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I would hope the goal isn't to eliminate rote memory learning, but to make the process more useful.

When I took my A+ certification, the exam focused a lot on things like setting IRQs and how to set jumpers on various pieces of hardware, despite the need to do so being largely obsolete for almost a decade at that point. So memorizing stuff like that for no reason other than to write an exam was a waste of my time. The proper solution is to encourage me to memorize things that are useful to the modern situation.

As far as this plan goes, updating curriculum is a good thing. However, the needlessly aggressive timeline the NDP are working toward indicates this is going to be half-assed.

My concern is that the decisions have already been made and this "review" is a rubber stamp.

nik- · 06-14-2016, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I think google should be banned from being used in schools unless they can back it with proper research methods.

What we need to add is more data interpretive skills. Make them analyze and argue conclusions instead of memorize.

Why did WW1 happen, what were the effects of the Great Naval Races and Empire building.

What was the effect of the Great Depression on the rise of dictatorships and facist ideology.

Why does 4x4=16

Sorry, but how does Googling prevent interpretation of data found on the internet?

CaptainCrunch · 06-14-2016, 10:28 AM

googling to me tends to be done in an incredibly lazy fashion, by a person in a rush. I think until schools set a research parameter that includes the use of google and internet tools that it merely becomes the tool of relatively talented Bullshift artists.

nik- · 06-14-2016, 10:30 AM

It also speeds up the access to resources which still must be referenced and still must be utilized to form an argument.

The teacher can determine if sources used and required creativity levels are present in the student's work.

The Internet is here and search engines speed them up. It would be ridiculous to wall off that tool.

Regorium · 06-14-2016, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by nik-

It also speeds up the access to resources which still must be referenced and still must be utilized to form an argument.

The teacher can determine if sources used and required creativity levels are present in the student's work.

The Internet is here and search engines speed them up. It would be ridiculous to wall off that tool.

While I agree with this, the vast majority of teachers are not qualified to do what you are asking them to do.

Coach · 06-14-2016, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Regorium

While I agree with this, the vast majority of teachers are not qualified to do what you are asking them to do.

To determine if something is properly sourced?

I'm pretty sure every teacher knows how to do that.

nik- · 06-14-2016, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Regorium

While I agree with this, the vast majority of teachers are not qualified to do what you are asking them to do.

So that's a problem with internet resources?

If a ####ty teacher isn't going to google a student source for a paper when it's super easy, you think they're going to check an actual source?

polak · 06-14-2016, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

googling to me tends to be done in an incredibly lazy fashion, by a person in a rush. I think until schools set a research parameter that includes the use of google and internet tools that it merely becomes the tool of relatively talented Bullshift artists.

Simple. It has to be peer reviewed. Just like in University. There's tools that only return peer reviewed sources.

Memorizing when WW2 started is useless in this day and age. It's the Why and what happened that kids should memorize and learn about.

Lubicon · 06-14-2016, 10:42 AM

I thought we had just undergone a pretty thorough review. Education seems to have really changed in the last couple of years and I'm not sure it is for the better. I have two kids, high school age and many of the changes in focus are driving them (and my wife and I) absolutely nuts. Maybe it's not the curriculum itself that has changed but how the curriculum is being taught that is the source of our issues. And the lack of accountability (for students) is one of the things that trouble us most. We try very hard to teach our kids that they are accountable for their actions yet they see examples literally every week of students shirking their responsibilities and basically being rewarded for it.

polak · 06-14-2016, 10:49 AM

That's cause teachers lost their power.

I don't know though how is it these days? I don't feel like there was any crazy discipline when I was in school. Missing lunches and "fun events" and detention and calling your parents was all they could do.

Zarley · 06-14-2016, 10:50 AM

Are multiplication tables still taught in school?

Coach · 06-14-2016, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by polak

That's cause teachers lost their power.

I don't know though how is it these days? I don't feel like there was any crazy discipline when I was in school. Missing lunches and "fun events" and detention and calling your parents was all they could do.

Or, they could be allowed to fail the people that are failing and let the parents deal with their failure child.