03-16-2016, 08:40 AM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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Daly: 2016 salary cap projects to be $74 million with escalator
Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun
Bill Daly says salary cap projection given was around $74 million with the escalator, but a flat cap without the escalator.
Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun
Cap projection in Pebble Beach at Board of Gov was around $74.5 million, so today's projection just a tad lower
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03-16-2016, 08:42 AM
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Nice. An extra 3.6 million will be a nice relief with the forwards that have to get signed within the next two years.
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03-16-2016, 08:45 AM
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that's good news because John E. Hockey gets more expensive every day
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03-16-2016, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Cole436
Nice. An extra 3.6 million will be a nice relief with the forwards that have to get signed within the next two years.
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$2.6 million
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03-16-2016, 08:46 AM
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So the NHLPA can just use the escalator every year? Why wouldn't they? Are their any downsides?
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03-16-2016, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by DJones
So the NHLPA can just use the escalator every year? Why wouldn't they? Are their any downsides?
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The downside is the players will likely have to pay more escrow to compensate using the escalator.
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03-16-2016, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
$2.6 million
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Interesting number, because I was looking at it a couple days ago with the dollar rebounding a bit.
The last thing we had heard was that it could go down $3 or $4M, but that was right at the peak of the dollar slide (1.4700).
Since then, the CAD has rallied about 11%. So I did some quick and dirty math.
If the middle of the range is about $60M, then HRR is about :
60m x 30 teams x 2 = $3.6B
if Canadian revenues are about 35% of the total (I don't know this for sure, just vaguely remember that number from the CBA debates), then we get:
3.6B x 35% = $1.26B coming from Canadian$ sources. So an increase in the value of the CAD of 11% means:
$1.26B x 11% = $138.6M / 2 = $69M / 30 teams = $2.3M increase to the cap from the rebound in the dollar.
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03-16-2016, 09:39 AM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by DJones
So the NHLPA can just use the escalator every year? Why wouldn't they? Are their any downsides?
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Once they know the actual HRR, salaries are adjusted. The PA can use the escalator all they want, but all it really means is that the net escrow charge is higher.
In the end, salaries are a function of the actual HRR, regardless.
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03-16-2016, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Interesting number, because I was looking at it a couple days ago with the dollar rebounding a bit.
The last thing we had heard was that it could go down $3 or $4M, but that was right at the peak of the dollar slide (1.4700).
Since then, the CAD has rallied about 11%. So I did some quick and dirty math.
If the middle of the range is about $60M, then HRR is about:
60m x 30 teams x 2 = $3.6B
if Canadian revenues are about 35% of the total (I don't know this for sure, just vaguely remember that number from the CBA debates), then we get:
3.6B x 35% = $1.26B coming from Canadian$ sources. So an increase in the value of the CAD of 11% means:
$1.26B x 11% = $138.6M / 2 = $69M / 30 teams = $2.3M increase to the cap from the rebound in the dollar.
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This is on actual revenues though. Money made is money made, and bills paid are already paid, no?
Last edited by Street Pharmacist; 03-16-2016 at 10:14 AM.
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03-16-2016, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
This is on actual revenues though. Money made is money made, and build paid are already paid, no?
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I'm sorry, what?
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03-16-2016, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
I'm sorry, what?
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They've already made the revenues and paid the bills while the exchange was what it was. You can't add exchange now can you?
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03-16-2016, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
They've already made the revenues and paid the bills while the exchange was what it was. You can't add exchange now can you?
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We're talking about next year's revenues. All you can do with the Canadian revenue is use the current fx rate.
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03-16-2016, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
We're talking about next year's revenues. All you can do with the Canadian revenue is use the current fx rate.
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Ah. I thought you meant the actual cap may come in higher. You mean the future revenue
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03-16-2016, 10:33 AM
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Franchise Player
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The cap is calculated using estimates for next year's revenues. And then the NHLPA can utilize the escalator to bump it up as much as 5%.
Then the escrow is applied to salaries.
Then, after the season, actual revenues are calculated, and from that, the actual amount of HRR that should be allocated to salaries.
Then, assuming the actual number doesn't eat up all of the escrow, whatever is remaining gets reimbursed to the players to make their salaries correctly reflect the actual revenues.
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03-16-2016, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
Ah. I thought you meant the actual cap may come in higher. You mean the future revenue
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We are talking about the cap for next season here.
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03-16-2016, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
We are talking about the cap for next season here.
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Which is based on hrr from this season, no?
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03-16-2016, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
Which is based on hrr from this season, no?
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read post #14
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03-16-2016, 10:53 AM
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Franchise Player
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Is the cap going up only because the players executed their escalator? It can't be based on revenues. The sagging Canadian buck and the poor performance of the Canadian clubs is certain to hit the cap. 23% of the teams account for 40% of the revenues, and that 40% is going to shrink. because of the dollar and poor seasons. Players will likely pay for this in the long run.
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03-16-2016, 10:54 AM
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First Line Centre
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You would think eventually the players would stop escalating since they're already taking a beating on the escrow payments each year
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03-16-2016, 10:56 AM
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A rising cap helps the Flames trade Wideman, but a stagnant cap helps the Flames by hurting the competition (ie, Chigaco, LA, etc.)
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