The latest stat visualization from the HERO chart guy

[GranteedEV]

I am pleased to say we have no player as bad as Tanner Glass:

[Finger Cookin]

What are the underlying Z-Scores? I get Primary Points/60 (presumably per 60 minutes) and then SATF%Rel, but what is the Z-Score relative to those two metrics?

[RyZ]

But this stat is trying to tell me that Stajan and Raymond are better than Monahan. How am I supposed to take this seriously? Am I supposed to take this seriously?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by RyZ

But this stat is trying to tell me that Stajan and Raymond are better than Monahan.

Keep in mind, this stat includes Monahan's rookie season, where he wasn't a very good NHLer (and that also applies to Bouma, who took a huge stride last year) Give it two more seasons before you put too much thought into it.. vets are going to have an inherent advantage over 19 year olds.

It also expects a 100 game sample size, so players like Gaudreau, Granlund, Jooris, etc haven't even hit the bare minimum yet.

How am I supposed to take this seriously? Am I supposed to take this seriously?

From the website:

"It doesn't take itself too seriously but it can still convey a powerful message."

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Keep in mind, this stat includes Monahan's rookie season, where he wasn't a very good NHLer (and that also applies to Bouma, who took a huge stride last year) Give it two more seasons before you put too much thought into it.. vets are going to have an inherent advantage over 19 year olds.

It also expects a 100 game sample size, so players like Gaudreau, Granlund, Jooris, etc haven't even hit the bare minimum yet.



From the website:

"It doesn't take itself too seriously but it can still convey a powerful message."

And what message is that?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by RyZ

But this stat is trying to tell me that Stajan and Raymond are better than Monahan. How am I supposed to take this seriously? Am I supposed to take this seriously?

You need to put the results into context for starters. Stajan and Raymond likely were better players than Monahan, when he first started in the league, and are both likely worse than him as of our last game last season. Monahan a player on his way up statistically, Stajan and Raymond, regressing or holding steady at best.

[Mattman]

What would it look like for a team like Chicago?

[SofaProfessor]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And what message is that?

Matt Stajan > Sean Monahan

Better ship out Monahan for a 4th while we can still get something. Does this warrant a new thead?

"Hypothetically speaking, what would the return be for Mony if the Flames traded him now?"

[MoreDrank]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

What are the underlying Z-Scores? I get Primary Points/60 (presumably per 60 minutes) and then SATF%Rel, but what is the Z-Score relative to those two metrics?

Definition:
A Z-Score is a statistical measurement of a score's relationship to the mean in a group of scores. A Z-score of 0 means the score is the same as the mean. A Z-score can also be positive or negative, indicating whether it is above or below the mean and by how many standard deviations.

[ricardodw]

a quick look says that this is almost a direct correlation to TOI.

Where is Lee Stempniak on this chart? and why is he still a UFA?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And what message is that?

That if an NHLer is too close to Tanner Glass, they are in a pretty rare class of terrible. If an NHLer is too close to Sidney Crosby, they in a pretty rare class of excellence.

a quick look says that this is almost a direct correlation to TOI.

It is completely normalized for TOI.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I wish there was a sub form for fancy stats.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

That if an NHLer is too close to Tanner Glass, they are in a pretty rare class of terrible. If an NHLer is too close to Sidney Crosby, they in a pretty rare class of excellence.

Based on what? That is a completely empty statement.

Yes, Crosby is very good and Glass is much less good. But what does a score of 0.5 vs -0.5 on this scale actually tell us about the players?

You said it could convey a powerful message. What message?

Other than: every player scores somewhere between Glass and Crosby, what else is it telling us?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by New Era

I wish there was a sub form for fancy stats.

Or you could just not open threads that are so obviously about fancy stats that a blind person could see it?

[Enoch Root]

It's like PDO. If a team has a PDO of 101, what does that tell us about the team?

That they have had good luck shooting?
That they have a team of snipers?
That they generate more productive scoring chances per shot?
That they have a good goalie?
That other teams have had bad luck shooting against them?
Some combination of some, many, or all of these things?
Other things altogether?

In other words, we have a number for a team: 101. So what do we know about that team?

Answer: nothing (other than they have a PDO of 101)

[Enoch Root]

So Stajan has a value of about 0.1.... what does that tell us about him? Or about him in relation to Monahan or Crosby?

[Inglewood Jack]

pleasantly surprised at how far Bollig is from being a Glass!

[thymebalm]

The Glass to Crosby scale is interesting,

I think what it says about Monahan is that he doesn't drive the play relative to his competition as much as some of our other players.

I also believe it takes all of their GP into consideration, so you are looking at Monahan's relatively weak rookie season in that mix as well. If you put Monahan on that scale with only the last season, he would likely jump up significantly.


For players who are improving, the Scale isn't great as it counts the games behind them, not in front of them. For someone like Glass or Crosby, you know what you're getting so it works a lot better with established NHLers with 5+ seasons under their belt.

It's a fun chart, it doesn't mean anything really, but it's a fun way to compare players.